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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying bist has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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well well well good evening fade to

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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but it is beautiful in here folks

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it is i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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racehobbs i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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john greenwald is here black vault jeff

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is here tonight alan b smith

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is here tonight i'm calling tonight the

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ufo all-stars tomorrow night

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anniversary of roswell we're going to do

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a show tomorrow night called roswell

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another fader night with open lines all

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and uh don't do this too often where we

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crystal skulls you know i mean

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einstein

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einstein the crystal crystalskull.com

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promo code jimmy 10 off of your crystal

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it is the mass meditation initiative for

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huge event i'm hosting again this year

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with music performances by trevor hall

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is going to be their desert dwellers

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poron gee is going to be there and many

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all you have to do is go to disclosure

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disclosurefest.org check it out for

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tickets and info follow me on twitter at

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that's right just follow me right there

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follow me at j church radio right there

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it's right here i'm looking at it

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we don't buy let's get to the breaking

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that occurred sunday night at the oscars

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the worker shortage has been a hallmark

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everybody needs workers and that's

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right there check this out

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already sold the actual lunar sample bag

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the bottom's auction will take place on

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april 13th in new york city

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that's right you're not hearing things

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a million bucks

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seriously you can't even see it

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somebody's got too much money the foo

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fighters have cancelled all of their

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upcoming tour dates following the sudden

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grammy awards in las vegas this sunday

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where they have been nominated for three

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no word yet if the ban will still appear

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on the telecast i'll keep you posted

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let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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terry jacks

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seasons in the sun

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listened to it like three times today

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perry farrell of jane's addiction today

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our dead guy's birthday today is billy

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1946-2007 died at the age of 60

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billy was a singer songwriter and he was

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i know you remember that

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billy also worked as a producer and

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composed music scores for tv series

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including the war of the worlds bet you

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didn't know that he did star trek the

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next generation bet she didn't know that

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he did columbo he did eight is enough

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and he did hard time on planet earth

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billy suffered from chest pains at his

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home on february 28 2007 and was taken

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by ambulance to saint vincent's hospital

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in sydney australia

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he then had a massive heart attack and

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died 30 minutes later his family was by

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his side when he died at the age of 60.

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happy birthday billy thorpe

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children of the sun

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man

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yeah yeah that was a good track on this

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day in history otd

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[Music]

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1974

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mariner 10

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launched by nasa in november 1973

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becomes the first spacecraft to visit

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the planet mercury

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sending back close-up images

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of a toasty world

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on this day in 1974

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it was mind-blowing actually it kept

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wanting why doesn't it melt

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why

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fader facts

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farmers in india

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this is a fact

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you gotta i want somebody to start

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posting pictures as soon as i whip this

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fact out on you this fader fact

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children of the sun billy thorpe thank

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you cass i want to see pictures you

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ready

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farmers in india

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paint their dogs

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to look like tigers

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to keep

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that's your fader fact you should see

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the pictures man

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i mean somebody's airbrushing right

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these dogs

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and they look like tigers

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it's amazing the transformation that dog

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can have once he's got stripes

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and that

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is your fader fact tonight

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three

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jeff kingsbury and alan b smith all are

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here on tonight's show tomorrow night

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don schmidt returns for the 75th

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anniversary of roswell the show will be

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called

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roswell revisited we're doing it all

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from a to z tomorrow night with don

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schmidt thursday's another fader night

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with open lines all night long i'm your

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host jimmy church and now it's time

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rivermoonwellness.com

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i lock my coffee doc

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ken priest

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kemper he's telling me i've got to get

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my biscuit skills up to par

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all i did was post a picture

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of a biscuit with some blueberry jelly

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on it with some irish butter

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right unsalted irish butter oh blueberry

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uh fresh preserve

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on a nicely fresh baked biscuit and ken

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comes backwards nah

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that looks like fred i worked really

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hard on that

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yeah

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i got up my biscuit game all right

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where am i at

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rivermoonwellness.com and uh best coffee

367
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in the world i just i you know i've got

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a new

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static free

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bur grinder

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and it looks really cool i actually went

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up to it today and went

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i was like what are you doing

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i actually did that i petted

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all right

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man i love my coffee dark

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so

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i

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total play-by-play

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that's right

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it's like that

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it was a lot of fun like bridgerton

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and uh season two might be better than

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season one and season one was pretty

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amazing

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and uh

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gotta have a cough button

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and uh

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i arrived at the final show of season

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two

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kind of bummed texting lisa

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i'm like oh crap is there ten episodes

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or eight she says there's ten

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and i was finishing seven i was like i

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don't want this to end yet

396
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and uh and and i just happened to look

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it up and there it was eight episodes so

398
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i know i had one left and then she texts

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me back oh it's eight sorry my bad it's

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not ten it's eight

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so i decided to take a break

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you know from from the texting madness

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and i paused the show

404
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i wanted to hold off

405
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you know just binged seven episodes and

406
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now i'm at episode eight everything is

407
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about to really hit the fan

408
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so i take a break

409
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i got some more munchies ready i pop

410
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some stuff in the oven

411
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and uh pigs in the blanket and uh no

412
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just kidding not really

413
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and i stepped outside of my back patio

414
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for some fresh air

415
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beautiful night

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perfect sky

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black

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with the stars

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and i'm standing there man you know

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hands on my hip you know i'm just

421
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looking up and at that exact moment

422
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and it's moving

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slowly right overhead and it's it's at

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an angle

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it's going like this like uh east

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northeast

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right not east a little north little

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angle

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more more east than north but banana

430
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dangle you get it

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there it is

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naked eye man

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right there

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bright it's white

435
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not very high by the way

436
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and if i was going to take a guess i

437
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would say like 30 000 feet

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and it's slow you know it's not

439
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satellite high but it's not low it's

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like you know commercial aircraft height

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it's white and it's just going just like

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slow and i'm like whoa

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wait it gets better

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so

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i run back in the house and i grab my

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night vision

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i run back outside

448
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i look up it's still there it's moving

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slowly now it's like right here

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and i turn on my night vision

451
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i must have left uh

452
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i must have left them on back in sedona

453
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right so i run back in the house

454
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and i grab some batteries

455
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i go back out on the patio

456
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i changed the batteries and that takes a

457
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little bit because it's it's waterproof

458
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
and it's got this thing and it's you

459
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know and you got to unscrew it

460
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,760
you know you just don't pop off a cover

461
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take you know i get the batteries i put

462
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the batteries back in i

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screw it back out it's got to be tight

464
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:32,720
you know i turn back on the night vision

465
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it lights up it's all good i look up

466
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i scan the sky

467
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,880
night vision right i'm scanning the sky

468
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:47,600
i'm thinking i'm going in the direction

469
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:51,760
where it was headed but it's not there

470
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,559
but it gets better

471
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,159
but

472
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,440
as i'm scanning the sky looking for this

473
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uh the object

474
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,640
i see two crafts

475
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:05,919
and and

476
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each other just like this

477
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,279
right

478
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,600
and that's really cool when when this

479
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:14,799
happens

480
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,159
and uh and then as i'm looking at these

481
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two

482
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right

483
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,960
a third object pops in and it's going

484
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this way

485
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,880
and so for a moment in my night vision

486
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,159
i've got three things going on

487
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,760
and it's awesome

488
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,870
it's bigger it's brighter it's faster

489
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,120
and i'm watching these three things

490
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:41,279
at the same time

491
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,600
when a fourth decides to join the party

492
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:48,400
all within about a minute in the same

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i'm

494
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going on

495
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you know and

496
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all of this within a minute and i was

497
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:58,080
basically

498
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,120
a little bit south

499
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:05,200
right i'm kind of at an angle it's like

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00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:06,159
this

501
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as

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and and cruised away and now they're all

503
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,840
you know out of my vision and i'm just

504
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:19,440
kind of looking and

505
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,880
and then i just like pivot my body i'm

506
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,960
facing south and i pivot my body and i

507
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,520
go north just like this you know i'm

508
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:29,840
looking straight up

509
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,920
there's another craft

510
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,600
[Music]

511
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moving

512
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,440
north to south

513
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,919
coming at me like this

514
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,919
north to south and that's a that's a

515
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,159
rare thing north to south

516
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,679
you never see and you can pretty much

517
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,600
when you see something going north to

518
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,200
south

519
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,600
not a satellite i don't know what it is

520
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,320
but

521
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,520
and at that this very moment another

522
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,080
craft pops up this is all going on i got

523
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,200
bridgerton waiting inside and and now

524
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,720
i've got a craft going from west to east

525
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,200
so this craft is going north to south

526
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,880
flying over my head and now i've got

527
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,640
this other one coming in

528
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,960
from west to east

529
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,520
and uh

530
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,000
as as i'm looking another one pops in

531
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,080
behind it

532
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,679
following it

533
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,240
and then another

534
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,360
right in the rope

535
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:33,760
and that's when i was like ah

536
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,399
now i've got starlink

537
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,399
passing over my house so i've got all

538
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,640
this over here earlier you know minute

539
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,640
later i've got the and now i've got

540
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,000
starlink going over my house

541
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:48,080
so i stood there and i watched and i

542
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,279
counted 54 starlink satellites 54

543
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,000
and honestly i think i even missed a few

544
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,760
but of those 54 around 10 of them

545
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,159
were not in line

546
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,840
they were either a little above or a

547
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,159
little up below the line of of

548
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,960
satellites which was which was strange

549
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:10,799
45

550
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,320
right were perfect equidistant spacing

551
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,399
and pace just just going across the sky

552
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,120
just perfect like this you know

553
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,480
but uh the ten or so that were not in

554
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,600
line

555
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,480
were not spaced it wasn't like so these

556
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,399
are going in line but the these other

557
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,200
ones were like right here or down here

558
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,480
but they're still moving it was weird

559
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,880
now i don't know much about how starlink

560
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,679
works or how they're positioned

561
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,520
you see so i don't know why there were

562
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,320
these you know out of 54 going across

563
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,880
why there were these odd ones out i

564
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,640
don't know i'm just reporting exactly

565
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:50,080
what i saw

566
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,360
so

567
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,240
um i don't know this whole thing took uh

568
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,320
probably about five minutes starlink it

569
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,960
was 54 man just right across the sky

570
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120
totally cool here's the crazy part

571
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,799
without the night vision you couldn't

572
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,320
see them

573
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,480
you know and it was

574
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,080
it was a marvelously dark crystal clear

575
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,000
starry night but couldn't see with the

576
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,640
naked eye this is the only second time

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that i've seen starlink the first time

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was in indy last summer

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and that night they were glowing and

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00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,679
completely visible to the naked eye so i

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don't know if they were lower or what

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00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,320
the deal is so after the excitement was

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over

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00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:32,159
um i had to get my food out of the oven

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get back to episode eight of bridgerton

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and check in with lisa

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so i got now get my food and sit down

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you know and i texted lisa i go dude

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i just saw 54 starlings

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and she replies

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what is starlink

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is it in episode 8

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i texted back

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this is faded black i am your host jimmy

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church

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tonight

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ufo all-stars john greenwald is here

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jeff kingsbury is here

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and kicking off tonight is alan b smith

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right after the break tomorrow night don

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schmidt returns for the 75th anniversary

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of roswell

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for roswell revisited all of that is

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tomorrow night thursday night is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black on the x and game

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right after this short break stay with

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your father's radio show

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on the game changer radio network

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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matson you're listening to jimmy church

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight three

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special guests john greenwald is here

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00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:26,240
jeff kingsbury's going to be joining us

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shortly

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00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,920
and kicking off the night tonight alan b

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smith

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host of paranormal now

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he is a podcaster he's an independent

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documentary filmmaker he has co-produced

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and co-directed the documentary born

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equal co-producer on the documentary

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00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,720
sounds of the dead evp

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00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:49,920
and life after and he's been featured in

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00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,720
several paranormal related documentaries

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00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,440
and is now of course part of the family

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over at kunx and i would like to welcome

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00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,000
her the first time to fade to black

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alan b smith alan you know how many

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00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,940
times i've wanted to say alan b shepherd

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00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,960
[Laughter]

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00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,000
you didn't

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00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,560
but i didn't how you doing man good

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00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,240
thanks for beyond i appreciate it yeah

729
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,640
this is uh this is really really cool

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00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,560
and uh it's kind of my version of host

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to host

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00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,320
and uh but but welcome to the program

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00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,160
and you get the first time guest

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00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,560
disclaimer so let me get that out of the

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00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,400
way which is this allen it's just you

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00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,920
and i sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,680
conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go

741
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,359
hi can we can we watch bridget in

742
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,480
together yeah are you watching that man

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00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,119
i now i have to uh my wife was watching

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00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,599
it and i kind of checked out so i feel

745
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,160
like i need to get back in yeah yeah the

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00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,119
first season uh hooked me and

747
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,400
and it was so good i thought that it

748
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,880
it's it's hard to do you know your first

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00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,720
album is always great

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00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,280
your second album kind of sucks right

751
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,200
and it's it's it's that way with tv

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00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,599
series but i gotta say man season two it

753
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,160
might be better than season one so if

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00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,520
you haven't checked it out go and watch

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00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,280
season one and then roll right into

756
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,720
season two it's pretty cool it's pretty

757
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,400
cool yeah thank you now uh

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00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:19,359
what got you started um

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00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,480
in

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00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,280
not only the paranormal supernatural and

761
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,280
and ufos but

762
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,119
but doing your own program your own

763
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,440
podcast in your own radio show what got

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00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:30,880
you into this

765
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,680
uh yeah it wasn't like a a mission

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00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,599
statement but basically i had reached

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out to

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00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,040
this is about seven years now i think

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00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,280
ken cherry he was the

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host and he ran epic voyages radio on

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the old inception radio network

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00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
and uh i just said hey man you know i'm

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interested in these subjects i'd like to

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00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,200
help out however i can um so i helped

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00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,720
him out with the website and some

776
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,880
graphics and that sort of thing and then

777
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:58,800
he's like hey do you want to give it a

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00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:02,000
go and host a show so i said sure and uh

779
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,520
then i was hooked that was it after that

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00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,119
first one

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00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,800
and how do you

782
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:08,800
um and you know for all of those out

783
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,079
there that that want to do what you do

784
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,160
how do you how do you approach it how do

785
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,560
you book your guests and and how do you

786
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,520
do a show flow uh you know and and and

787
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,240
how do you pursue things

788
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,880
yeah well i mean i learned along the way

789
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:26,160
obviously

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00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,040
so

791
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,119
in fact i remember uh one of the earlier

792
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,119
interviews i had was with the great jim

793
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,200
mars

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00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,960
and it's one of those interviews i wish

795
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,280
i could go back and do again

796
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,800
because i found myself interrupting

797
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:41,520
not

798
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:46,079
this kind of desire to ask all of my

799
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,040
questions

800
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,599
um and what i've learned

801
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:51,280
over time

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00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,240
is

803
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,000
that i have in front of me you know i

804
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,160
have a background in acting so for me

805
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,320
it's that interaction between two people

806
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,000
with shared interests

807
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:04,000
that that's where i love you know to to

808
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,880
live

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00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,920
and so

810
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,599
i started chilling out a little bit you

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00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,640
know

812
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,640
or get getting a little bit more relaxed

813
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,920
and then

814
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,320
just asking questions that were relevant

815
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,480
to what the guest is saying in that

816
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,280
moment and just responding organically

817
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,760
that's where i'm i'm i feel the best but

818
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:23,200
it took me a while

819
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,400
to get there

820
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,440
um

821
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,599
and and yeah it's you know sometimes

822
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,839
i'll go with a guest and it's a crap

823
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,160
shoot i have no idea how it's going to

824
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:35,200
go uh it's someone that i you know only

825
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,240
vetted

826
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,440
very little

827
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,839
um because they're you know they had one

828
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,520
book out or they had not done that many

829
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,720
interviews

830
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,440
so you just kind of you know i love the

831
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,119
live format

832
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,720
it's like it's like theater for me in

833
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,839
that regard you know you're kind of

834
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,359
living on the edge a little bit you

835
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,880
don't know exactly what's going to be

836
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:55,359
said or how it's going to go yeah i love

837
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,400
that place yeah live is uh it's an

838
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,320
adrenaline rush

839
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,680
and mistakes included right you can't

840
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,480
hit rewind you can't do another take

841
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,359
and and i i dig that part of it uh the

842
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,760
the performance aspect of it it's live

843
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,839
theater right and so

844
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,760
i dig that every time i tape an

845
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,640
interview and i've only done a few over

846
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,640
the years i've done you know a lot of

847
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,599
shows every time i do a taped interview

848
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,160
i sound like all things considered on

849
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,000
npr

850
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,280
you know

851
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,119
how you doing

852
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,079
so what got you into ufos you know and

853
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,920
it's just like wait wait wait wait wait

854
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,640
it's not who i am uh so i totally i'm

855
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,280
totally with you on on the live aspect

856
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,280
um and then and then

857
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,640
but i want to talk to you uh uh or ask

858
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,960
you about the paranormal and and the

859
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,960
reason the reason is this i know i've

860
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,200
framed this as a ufo show tonight but

861
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:55,040
everything is connected

862
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,720
but when you uh approach a paranormal

863
00:41:03,829 --> 00:40:59,680
guest

864
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:03,839
do is your background uh with with ghost

865
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,880
and contact in the supernatural or are

866
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,800
you learning

867
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,119
uh my background's all over

868
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:13,520
uh so i don't i don't hyper focus in one

869
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,480
field

870
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:17,599
uh that's why it's called paranormal now

871
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,280
because for me ufology ufos growing up

872
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:23,680
that was considered paranormal

873
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,119
i think that there's a much stronger

874
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,160
secular approach um maybe not stronger

875
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,160
but in sheer numbers of people that are

876
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:34,160
interested in this they approach it in

877
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,119
that more

878
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:36,800
uh you know

879
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,240
nuts and bolts secular mindset and for

880
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,119
me

881
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:43,599
you know ufos are fantastical

882
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,640
um

883
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:46,800
what people are reporting

884
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,720
um defied known physics and so it was

885
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,960
definitely in that realm of the unknown

886
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,720
the mysterious the paranormal

887
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,560
potentially supernatural

888
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:58,960
and so for me it's all the it's all this

889
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,680
not the same but it's on the same broad

890
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,760
scope it's kind of like

891
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,200
if you're um

892
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,720
an archaeologist

893
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,520
you don't study every site on the planet

894
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,280
you have your niche right and and you

895
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,520
focus on that niche i kind of step back

896
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,520
and i like to look at all of them

897
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,200
and that's you know on the show that's

898
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,119
why i have these conversations with

899
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,400
paranormal investigators uh pet psychics

900
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:25,520
you know ufologists um

901
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,880
and anything that is beyond the scope of

902
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,640
you know everyday life

903
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,599
and i just want to add too

904
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,839
that after inception radio network

905
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,760
i was looking for a home

906
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,680
because that had shut down

907
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,760
and i found someone to adopt me and that

908
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,359
was race hobbs

909
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:44,480
and

910
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:45,200
he

911
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,880
so

912
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,400
patient um

913
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,560
and i was persistent i said look you

914
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,480
know you're where i want to be

915
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,480
at the time which was kgra

916
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,280
and

917
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,960
it was many months later where he

918
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,480
finally got me on there so he gave me

919
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,240
that break which i'm totally grateful

920
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,560
for um and then as you know now i'm i'm

921
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,760
on uh the unex network uh which how can

922
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,160
i not race is like family so

923
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,680
he he

924
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,680
he attracts

925
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,240
right he just does he just does he he

926
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,800
attracts the best uh because

927
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,079
of of his pursuit of excellence and he's

928
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,760
always had that

929
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,680
and and people appreciate that about

930
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,560
race

931
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,760
um

932
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,599
there's uh there's another aspect to

933
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:30,880
this though

934
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,319
yeah do you find that when you have a

935
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,880
guest talking about ufos

936
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,319
somehow the conversation gets into ghost

937
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,400
or you have a paranormal guest on you're

938
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,319
talking about evps and the next thing

939
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,599
you know

940
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,400
you're talking about ufos

941
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,520
and that

942
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,560
everything just may be connected in and

943
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,200
you brought up physics in a weird way

944
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,440
where once you get into this

945
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,400
everything just kind of overlaps

946
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,119
yes and see this is where this is like

947
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,960
the playground i love living in and

948
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,400
that's why i love looking at all these

949
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,839
different fields and having all these

950
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,079
different conversations so you have the

951
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,040
secular approach at ufology

952
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,560
the way i see

953
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,880
even people who are approaching this

954
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,440
strictly as nuts and bolts

955
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,040
there's kind of a

956
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,680
there's that subtext of a of a mythic

957
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,880
journey

958
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,520
that we're all going on um

959
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,599
there's there's a thrill in not knowing

960
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,280
and not having the answers

961
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,160
um i i love that we get bits and pieces

962
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,480
along the way of course i want to know

963
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,599
you know who exactly these

964
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:39,200
extraterrestrial or interdimensionals

965
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:40,240
are

966
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,560
but i enjoy the process of discovery

967
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,119
and i think you know very much in line

968
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,359
with like that joseph campbell way of

969
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:50,480
thinking

970
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,520
um

971
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,520
and not to get too much into it but like

972
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,119
carl young for instance you know saying

973
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,880
that the ufo is really like an archetype

974
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,960
of the mind it's human experience

975
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,359
expressed um

976
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,119
and

977
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,680
i i think that that's true whether ufo

978
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,599
is an extraterrestrial or not i think

979
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,839
that that is still like a little little

980
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,839
mini you know heroes journey that we're

981
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:13,359
all kind of going on

982
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,319
um

983
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,280
and and we're trying to get answers that

984
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,520
that speak to something much deeper uh

985
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,880
spiritually so

986
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,960
so there is a spiritual

987
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,920
uh

988
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:26,240
through thread for me

989
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,359
that

990
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,119
is you know on all of my episodes with

991
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,040
all of my all of my guests you know i

992
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,480
can't help but ask them like you know

993
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:34,640
what are your spiritual beliefs um how

994
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,440
does

995
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,640
your experience i mean that my

996
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,160
documentary half light which should be

997
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,640
coming out um in a few weeks

998
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,000
uh

999
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:43,839
if i can get it edited and finished in

1000
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,000
time right uh that's exactly what i

1001
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,480
discussed with actual

1002
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,359
researchers experiencers like uh

1003
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,200
geraldine harosco

1004
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:58,240
race hobbes uh tiffany mack mark

1005
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,599
deantonio

1006
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,599
brian sprague peter robbins all these

1007
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,839
all these great people cheryl costa that

1008
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,040
i love

1009
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,839
and and what i found is that

1010
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,520
their investigation into whether it's

1011
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,640
ufology or or witchcraft or um

1012
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,440
paranormal investigations

1013
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,480
is that

1014
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,599
there's a

1015
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,119
fulfillment and when i say spiritual i'm

1016
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,560
not talking like

1017
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,119
you know dogmatic religion i'm saying

1018
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,960
that and it could be psychological we

1019
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,560
can use that term loosely

1020
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,160
there is a a spiritual aspect to it that

1021
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,760
for me

1022
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,109
was very much a

1023
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,319
a large part of a saving grace

1024
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,440
for me

1025
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,839
um for many many years i struggled with

1026
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,200
anxiety

1027
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,000
i struggled with uh depression

1028
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,400
um even addiction

1029
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,359
and

1030
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,520
all along the way

1031
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,839
i i was tapping into it doesn't matter

1032
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,680
if it was like a you know a cheesy ghost

1033
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,720
show

1034
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,760
uh

1035
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,359
i was always listening to coast to coast

1036
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,319
am like religiously every night

1037
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,400
because it gave me this sort of like

1038
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,560
supplemental sense of hope

1039
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:11,920
that

1040
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,400
there mysteries

1041
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,960
that we can't figure out

1042
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,680
that i i can't give up

1043
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,800
because what i don't even know what i'm

1044
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:25,200
giving up on well here's the interesting

1045
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,400
part though

1046
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,400
you bring up joseph campbell in the

1047
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,359
hero's journey and the hero's journey

1048
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,240
correctly written and interpreted

1049
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:36,800
uh before joseph campbell you know

1050
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,480
coined the term all of the great works

1051
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,640
going back thousands of years all have

1052
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,960
that component of act one act two act

1053
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,960
three of the heroes journey

1054
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,440
and if we apply that

1055
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,280
to ghosts and the paranormal and ufos

1056
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,680
we don't have an act three

1057
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,400
right we've got a we've got a we've got

1058
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,520
an error in the hero's journey because

1059
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,079
we we get the mission right that's act

1060
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,559
one right you get your quest

1061
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,760
all right and then you head out and and

1062
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,000
and you do the journey and you do your

1063
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:13,839
thing and then you come back home the

1064
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,200
hero right well

1065
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,440
we're not coming home for a while

1066
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,440
we're still out on this quest you know

1067
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,440
what i mean and that's i think that that

1068
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,240
is you brought up the best point of all

1069
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,720
we may not get to the end of this we

1070
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,280
might not see act three of the heroes

1071
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,079
journey but the fun part is trying to

1072
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:37,599
figure stuff out isn't it yeah i i agree

1073
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,040
and also i think both things are true so

1074
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,400
i think that

1075
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,640
100 that's what's awesome about this is

1076
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,200
we're all on this quest right little you

1077
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,400
know it could be little mini quests

1078
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,079
along the way for me every time i do a

1079
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,839
show it's a little mini quest

1080
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,000
into uncovering the truth to learning

1081
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,240
about myself and about other people

1082
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,760
um

1083
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,559
but

1084
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,240
because of that even though i don't i

1085
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,960
don't get a solid answer that

1086
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,960
here's proof here's ectoplasma here you

1087
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,839
go sir

1088
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,319
we've proven once and for all

1089
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,000
ghosts are real they come through your

1090
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,200
wall no even without that i still walk

1091
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,640
away satisfied

1092
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,800
i still walk away i learn something

1093
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,000
about myself and that's kind of the

1094
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:20,319
whole point of the hero's journey

1095
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,839
um of course i won't talk about the last

1096
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,880
the last jedi um

1097
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,400
you can't go there you can't go there

1098
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:29,520
but

1099
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,480
i i i would like to be luke skywalker

1100
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:34,880
and blow up the death star and come back

1101
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,640
home with proof of the existence of e.t

1102
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,880
uh for the world because you would be

1103
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,800
luke skywalker and that would be a

1104
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,559
pretty good feeling that would be the

1105
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,480
ultimate yes yes and i think there's

1106
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,760
lots of people that are out there doing

1107
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,359
that for sure

1108
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,880
but you know

1109
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,640
and and sometimes you know you got to be

1110
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,760
the sidekick

1111
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,760
and i'm cool with that too if i can help

1112
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,800
out in any way yeah you want to be chewy

1113
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,680
you want to be chewy so it shows chewy

1114
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,520
over han

1115
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,400
so

1116
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,920
but check this out

1117
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:09,359
yeah um i just uh you're a filmmaker and

1118
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,440
i just completed this film uh i i did uh

1119
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:16,240
uh two or three last year and

1120
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,000
and in one of them i was sitting with uh

1121
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,119
a group of i'm not gonna name drop it no

1122
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,960
a pretty pretty nice group of of people

1123
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:28,640
that appeared in the film

1124
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,839
and one of the things that we talked

1125
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,960
about

1126
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,920
was not only the hero's journey

1127
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,240
but the fact that stanton friedman

1128
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:40,720
wasn't here for the act three

1129
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,240
right that that jim mars is is not here

1130
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:45,920
john anthony west

1131
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,160
is is not here and um lloyd pie

1132
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:53,920
so many that that worked so hard out

1133
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,800
there

1134
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,359
in act two right to

1135
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:58,880
to do this

1136
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,640
and and we are sitting in in the most

1137
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,400
extraordinary days

1138
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,880
of uh answering these questions about

1139
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,680
ufos and uaps and what is going on with

1140
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,520
life in the universe in contact here on

1141
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,920
planet earth it's it's just absolutely

1142
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,359
extraordinary

1143
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,319
and so many of those heroes for us that

1144
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,359
put me and you where you are today

1145
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:24,160
um bart bell for instance you know and

1146
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,119
and

1147
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,599
um that they are they are not here with

1148
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,240
us anymore and and i think that that is

1149
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:31,839
important to

1150
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,119
to recognize those that

1151
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,480
literally

1152
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,920
you know i'm riding on the backs of

1153
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,319
those guys and gals

1154
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,640
yeah i mean rosemary ellen guyley yes

1155
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,079
yes yes

1156
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:46,079
this the past five years have just been

1157
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,280
horrific

1158
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,200
with the number of losses and it really

1159
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,440
breaks your heart um because this is

1160
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,200
like one of the most exciting times

1161
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,800
since perhaps

1162
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,160
stanton broke the the roswell case wide

1163
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,000
open yeah

1164
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,400
and and he was a hero of mine growing up

1165
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,280
absolutely uh you know i would say more

1166
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:07,119
so than someone like jail and heineken

1167
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,319
because

1168
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,480
he was there he was alive you know when

1169
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,040
i was a kid and on tv and presenting and

1170
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,319
and books

1171
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,359
um

1172
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,440
and that for for me but that and see

1173
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,280
that's the thing they are heroes even

1174
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,960
though they didn't get

1175
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,440
to the the ultimate third act

1176
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,400
they in my heart their heroes yeah yeah

1177
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,640
there's no question about that um what

1178
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,000
do you think

1179
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,960
uh is is starting to develop in front of

1180
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,640
us certainly moving through uh 2022

1181
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,319
when we talk about disclosure do you

1182
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,800
have expectations

1183
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,319
uh no

1184
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,760
no i i think

1185
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,599
i i don't think that there's one

1186
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,599
obviously there's no timeline

1187
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,839
uh it depends on who you talk to i know

1188
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,520
you talk to a lot of people

1189
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,359
i'm sure you know people who have inside

1190
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,599
tracks and insider information

1191
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,040
and you know a lot of that you have to

1192
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,960
take with a grain of salt

1193
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,200
but over the years

1194
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,880
people that i've spoken to

1195
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:05,040
you know on and off the air uh friends

1196
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,160
of mine

1197
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,400
who say look i was investigating this

1198
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,599
case

1199
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,520
i bumped into these people there with

1200
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,280
the government

1201
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,040
they kind of whispered in my ear this is

1202
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,200
what's going on and oftentimes what i

1203
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,599
heard was that there are these generally

1204
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,440
two factions

1205
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:22,880
you know whether you want to call it the

1206
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,359
cabal or just you know people who have a

1207
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,440
different idea of what's best for the

1208
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,599
united states of the world

1209
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,359
that one faction wants to keep this a

1210
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:33,119
secret and not release this for a very

1211
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,559
long time and there's another faction in

1212
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,559
the node that wants to release

1213
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,480
everything we have about our knowledge

1214
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,760
of

1215
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,960
visitation

1216
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,680
uh retrieved craft materials

1217
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:44,880
and

1218
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,599
i i think that maybe at one point that

1219
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,119
was true

1220
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,760
um let's assume the mj 12 documents are

1221
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,559
real

1222
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:53,760
then

1223
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,920
you know

1224
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,480
was it really like a secret society

1225
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
where

1226
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,000
you know this is generational and you're

1227
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,800
kind of signed in initiated into this

1228
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:07,839
club

1229
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,800
same one we had in 1965 or 1975 and i

1230
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,559
just don't think that's true

1231
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,559
i think we see that and reflected in

1232
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,400
congress too because you have a

1233
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,640
different generation of people

1234
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:21,839
that

1235
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,559
visited by something unknown quote

1236
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,720
unquote unknown uh you know aliens don't

1237
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,359
come off the lips of our representatives

1238
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,640
quite yet

1239
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,920
but

1240
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,079
there has definitely been a a change and

1241
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,319
so i think where we're at now

1242
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,559
is you have like people that louisando

1243
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,799
are kind of you know battling with that

1244
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,280
want to deny his existence as a part of

1245
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,079
a tip i i think these are just

1246
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,680
people who who

1247
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,760
don't want to deal

1248
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,599
with potential repercussions with

1249
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,799
disclosure

1250
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,520
um and i think that's a shame and i

1251
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,359
think that

1252
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,520
they're doing a disservice to

1253
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,240
to us so i get long story short there's

1254
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:08,160
still a kind of an internal battle you

1255
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,200
still have

1256
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,720
people who have different opinions about

1257
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,079
what should be released and what should

1258
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,240
not i'm optimistic i think the tide is

1259
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:15,920
changing

1260
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,119
i don't think it's going to happen next

1261
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,480
year i think we're you know we're

1262
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,839
looking at ten years from now you know

1263
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,760
that that would be my guess if if it

1264
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,599
does come out that the government says

1265
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,799
you know what guys

1266
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,680
the evidence is piled up um

1267
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,520
you know these new investigative uh

1268
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,960
approaches that we've developed which

1269
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,880
hopefully they actually will

1270
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,480
in the preliminary report they mentioned

1271
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:37,920
that and i thought that was one of the

1272
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,240
best parts of the report to be honest

1273
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,000
the recognition that they need to think

1274
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:43,520
about new ways

1275
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,359
to measure and identify and detect these

1276
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:48,400
phenomena

1277
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,520
um out of the 144

1278
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:54,000
that they mentioned 80 were

1279
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,920
uh measured on multiple um sensors yes

1280
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,640
yeah yes sensors thank you

1281
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,640
and so the question is

1282
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,240
if that's not good enough you know what

1283
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,599
other kind of sensors what other kind of

1284
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,359
systems detective systems are they going

1285
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,440
to develop that's really exciting

1286
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,160
um you know we and you have to have an

1287
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,240
outline like the five observables

1288
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,400
um which funny i wanted to mention to

1289
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,160
you tonight because we're talking about

1290
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:20,000
how the paranormal and ufology all tie

1291
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,880
in

1292
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,599
and

1293
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,799
i think that

1294
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,799
paranormal researchers need something

1295
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,640
like that like the five

1296
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,799
observables right oh whether it's

1297
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,200
cryptids or ghost hunting because you

1298
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,400
know they're all kind of all over the

1299
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,319
place right depending on who is

1300
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,440
investigating they have their own

1301
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,440
methodology um

1302
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,000
at least now i think finally look before

1303
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:42,839
we were before we were cracking

1304
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:47,040
open the cases um all the work

1305
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,000
that

1306
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,559
ufologists had done you know in leading

1307
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,160
up to today

1308
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:54,880
was about exposure exposing that hey

1309
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,799
look this wasn't this was a crash and um

1310
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,559
maybe aztek was an actual crash we don't

1311
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,480
know we'll find out hopefully one day if

1312
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,480
that was also another crash but you have

1313
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,040
those scott and suzanne ramsey people

1314
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:09,200
like that going out there and and doing

1315
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,160
the work

1316
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,520
now

1317
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,280
we're getting to the point where we're

1318
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,400
figuring out um how

1319
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:18,880
to actually extract

1320
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,440
the information from the government

1321
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,559
uh

1322
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,960
lou elizondo has opened up that door

1323
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,520
and um and and i i do have faith that

1324
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:30,960
his intentions are 100 sincere and that

1325
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:33,440
the work that he and chris mellon and to

1326
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,160
the stars academy initially you know the

1327
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,680
work that they were going to do was was

1328
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,400
going to do that and we see that we see

1329
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,880
that evident now um

1330
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,480
you have uh

1331
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,559
the the um

1332
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,839
um

1333
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,400
avilo project the

1334
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:52,000
project yes

1335
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,880
yeah

1336
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,640
you have all these other projects that

1337
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,640
are developing now that are people are

1338
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,119
saying independently you know what

1339
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,079
you know we have a outline of how to

1340
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,480
approach this subject how to observe

1341
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,880
these things um and we have enough

1342
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,640
inside knowledge

1343
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,040
uh with the encounters whether it's you

1344
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,799
know gimbal go faster who knows what

1345
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,240
else is out there

1346
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:16,480
that we can actually approach this and

1347
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:21,040
all these independent uh non-profits are

1348
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,240
putting their heads together and they're

1349
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,319
saying the same thing that

1350
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,880
the preliminary report said which was we

1351
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,119
need to figure out new ways

1352
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,280
of detecting these things and for me

1353
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,119
that's a game changer because that

1354
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,079
that's that you know chuck valet was was

1355
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,400
doing the best he could over the decades

1356
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,119
um but you really didn't have this

1357
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,440
camaraderie of effort

1358
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,640
you know of technical prowess

1359
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,640
working really hard to figure this thing

1360
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,440
out and that is what's most exciting to

1361
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,079
me about about everything from 2017 i

1362
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:55,920
think there should be two

1363
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,359
two classifications maybe three

1364
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:01,520
but it's i think it's really simple

1365
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:02,839
it's either

1366
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:05,760
earth or not

1367
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,960
and the third the only third possibility

1368
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,960
falls under the earth category which

1369
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,160
would be

1370
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,160
natural phenomena

1371
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,640
okay but but but other than i i think

1372
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:18,720
that's it it's either us or them it's

1373
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,920
either created here on earth or it is

1374
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,799
not

1375
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,200
um now i wanted to ask you uh one last

1376
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,200
question before i let you go great great

1377
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,160
conversation tonight alan is is this do

1378
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,440
you think

1379
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,920
uh you know based on the uap task force

1380
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,160
report which says we know nothing

1381
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,520
do you think that the government

1382
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,040
actually knows the truth do you think

1383
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,559
the government has

1384
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:42,319
flying saucers in their possession

1385
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,200
backwards uh technology and and uh uh

1386
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,160
reverse engineering and and and et

1387
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,599
bodies

1388
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,359
right because if they have all of that

1389
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:56,640
then they already know what's going on

1390
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:59,599
i think i think i think it's a 99 chance

1391
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,760
that they do and i think that only some

1392
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,599
of them not the government as a whole

1393
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:06,079
just some people have that intimate

1394
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,040
knowledge

1395
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,880
uh certainly crash have have been

1396
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,880
retrieved i i believe the question i

1397
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,480
always have this issue though

1398
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,000
because if they're so advanced how do

1399
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,240
they crash so often and why don't they

1400
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,720
crash in manhattan you know what why

1401
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,559
does it have to be in the desert right

1402
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:22,400
um but you know and that's why it's easy

1403
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,599
to kind of bring in

1404
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:25,920
like uh this this friday i'll be at the

1405
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,400
um pine bush ufo and paranormal

1406
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,799
museum to do a lecture uh if anybody

1407
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,799
wants to go 7 30 tickets are still on

1408
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,760
sale

1409
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,000
but that's why i incorporate that

1410
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,119
spiritual aspect of it because

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whether we know the truth

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yet or not

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um

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there's there's always this uh element

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that speaks to

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it's kind of like star trek

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um

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and why i like old star trek

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because

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it offered you a future

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that was optimistic

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you know a future potential and i think

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that

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chasing ufos is also us chasing a better

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future um and so that that that's

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whether i find out in my lifetime or not

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that's always going to be central to to

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my research and my conversations thank

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you so much alan is a pine bush on your

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um get it on instagram instagram at

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paranormal now

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there you go thank you alan b smith

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thank you so much alan enjoy the rest of

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your night and welcome to the family

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over here at the nx network man thank

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right on alan b smith

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black coming up after the break jeff

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01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,400
kingsbury joins us this is fade to black

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i'm the game changer and annex that

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works i'm yours jimmy church we'll be

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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hi racehobbs with the x obviously if

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interest in unexplained phenomena like

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know that we have our own x-blog the

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friend jimmy church fade to black

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this is toby kebble you're listening to

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don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

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i'm adrian grenier and this is ari gold

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hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church a

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this is jimmy churchill fade to black

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01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:35,990
hello this is serena wright taylor from

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conscious life expo and you're listening

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to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,039
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,160
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

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church on fade to black

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,920
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,160
host jimmy church

1547
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,960
thank you alan b smith coming up at the

1548
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,480
bottom of the hour

1549
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,799
john greenwald joins us right now it's

1550
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:26,880
jeff kingsbury

1551
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,920
combat inventory veteran and his show

1552
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,760
strange recon is about the ongoing

1553
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,000
mystery surrounding the subject of ufos

1554
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,079
and other paranormal events he is a

1555
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,240
lifelong adventurer who splits his time

1556
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:40,640
between living on a sailing vessel we'll

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01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,079
get to that uh the boat is called why a

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01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,280
wind tune while tunisia

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01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,480
wind dude

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01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:50,559
at an undisclosed location with his

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01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,839
bio-sensor first mate corey monroe his

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01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:55,520
german shepherd i would like to welcome

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01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,960
to the first time to fade to black jeff

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01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,799
kingsbury jeff good evening my man how

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01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,920
are you doing

1566
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:01,599
oh i'm doing great jimmy thanks for

1567
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:02,480
having me

1568
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,160
so uh okay first things first jeff uh

1569
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,680
got to do the first time guest

1570
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,160
disclaimer okay which is this it's just

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01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,160
you and i jeff sitting on my couch

1572
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,680
having a conversation with his friends

1573
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,119
and where the conversation starts and

1574
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,880
starts where it ends it ends

1575
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,640
but we're going to his friends there you

1576
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:20,400
go you ready

1577
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:24,239
so absolutely so you are on a boat right

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01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,120
now

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01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,759
no no in fact i'm not i escaped

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01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,080
i i made it to northern michigan this

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01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,239
this uh the sailing season and it got

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01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,239
locked in the ice so to speak so i i

1583
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,839
spent the winter off in boston i'm up

1584
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,199
here in boston area right now not

1585
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,359
actually boston but nearby okay all

1586
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,520
right what kind of boat do you got

1587
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:44,640
i have a 11 meter s2

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uh sloop with the mainsail furler makes

1589
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,040
it real easy you can do long distance

1590
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:50,719
solo sales i've sailed all around the

1591
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,600
united states uh not not not quite yet

1592
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,799
not in one motion but i've

1593
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,480
circumnavigated quite a bit of the the

1594
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,159
country and uh some parts of the world

1595
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,080
and i it's a hobby of mine i like to get

1596
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:02,080
away from society you know what i mean i

1597
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,520
i did some sailing as a youngster nice i

1598
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,560
sunk

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a sailboat

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01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:10,480
which i did in in the pacific ocean

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01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,960
capsized it and uh yeah yeah absolutely

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01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:17,440
when was this uh this was uh

1603
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:20,719
that would have been around 1970

1604
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:24,799
78 79 i was probably 15 16 years old

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01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,000
and uh

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01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,080
yeah man it was crazy okay enough of

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01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,799
that enough that let's

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01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,560
why not well you know we could tell

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01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,640
sailing stories all night long and

1610
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:36,719
people want to hear about the boats yeah

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01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:39,040
yeah you know i i'm telling you what

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01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,920
though

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uh

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01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:43,040
one okay all right i'm gonna share this

1615
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:44,719
with you but it's about you and we're on

1616
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,719
limited time but

1617
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,719
we're sailing we're in the pacific ocean

1618
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and i've got the wheel right i'm in the

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01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,000
back

1620
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,199
uh and my dad

1621
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:56,880
is uh

1622
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:59,840
a starbird of the jib

1623
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:01,840
facing land

1624
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,960
okay

1625
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,199
the owner of the boat is below decks and

1626
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:08,320
i could see him right okay and

1627
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,000
we're just cruising just came about

1628
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,360
off

1629
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:14,719
to port

1630
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:18,640
about a quarter mile away which is close

1631
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,080
out of the pacific ocean comes this and

1632
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,480
i'm not exaggerating

1633
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,800
30 foot manta ray

1634
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,960
catches the wind

1635
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:31,679
it's bigger than the boat that we're on

1636
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,600
and it catches the wind and then goes

1637
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,440
back

1638
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:37,920
for the rest of the day my head was on a

1639
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:39,199
swivel

1640
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,280
just just freaked out and just knowing

1641
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,920
that that stuff is under the water right

1642
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,520
i'm i'm not kidding i have like the

1643
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,120
exact same story outside of tampa bay

1644
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,280
real quick i i described it you ever

1645
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,120
seen like a jeep wrangler

1646
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,800
hood pop up while driving down the

1647
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,600
highway i

1648
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,719
that's haven't it looked like if this

1649
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,800
giant huge manta ray comes flying out of

1650
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:02,239
the water right next to the boat if it

1651
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,440
hit me it probably would have knocked me

1652
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,280
out but it was massive right outside of

1653
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,840
tampa bay yeah yeah it's cra

1654
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:09,840
i looked right in the mouth of this

1655
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,640
thing

1656
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,199
you could have drove a jeep wrangler

1657
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:16,320
into the mouth of this thing um now

1658
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,280
uh

1659
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:19,280
let's how did you get your start in this

1660
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,080
and

1661
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,159
you know going from you know the

1662
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,360
military into ufo radio that's a pretty

1663
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,440
interesting journey

1664
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,960
ah yeah i had a bunch of stops in

1665
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:31,040
between but essentially i'm just uh you

1666
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,719
know i found out later in life that i

1667
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,040
was a bridgewater triangle lifelong

1668
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,880
experiencer and had no idea there was

1669
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,480
all this immense amount of work built up

1670
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,640
about paranormal stuff in southeastern

1671
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,880
massachusetts i had no clue so when i

1672
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,560
went to my first paranormal kind of

1673
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:46,239
conference and joined this paranormal

1674
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:48,000
investigation team i started telling

1675
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,199
people my stories and they're like have

1676
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:51,199
you not read you know any of these books

1677
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,159
and i started seeing that all my

1678
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:54,320
encounters were in there and and so that

1679
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,280
kind of

1680
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,440
led to like a life a life of trying to

1681
01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:58,960
put these things in places and then

1682
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,800
ultimately speaking a i went on a ptsd

1683
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,040
psychedelic experiment regiment at a

1684
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,719
doctor's office and had this crazy

1685
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,960
encounter that said we've been showing

1686
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:10,239
you stuff your entire life and you've

1687
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,520
been too abandoned to talk about it get

1688
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,960
off your ass and start telling the world

1689
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,239
that's all that's happening essentially

1690
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,400
and and so that's uh

1691
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:18,159
you know i stopped working in television

1692
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,520
i was doing that for years and i thought

1693
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,040
this is a waste of time i hate reality

1694
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,840
and unscripted and i took a jump over to

1695
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,000
something a little more independent

1696
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:29,280
yeah yeah i would say that

1697
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:31,840
a lot more independent and

1698
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:32,800
uh

1699
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:36,400
in a serious dose of reality here's the

1700
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,000
deal though um oh by the way i watched

1701
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,040
bridgewater triangle last week again

1702
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,520
i've seen it like five six times

1703
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,840
uh when it was first released and i i

1704
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,679
got the dv it was i don't know eight

1705
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,199
years ago or so

1706
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,159
um i've watched it many times it it it

1707
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,040
holds its own that's a really good

1708
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,520
documentary in a strange part of the

1709
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,080
world uh bridgewater

1710
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:04,560
super cool yeah yeah totally totally i

1711
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,920
mean i still want to go find that hobo

1712
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:09,760
clown shack

1713
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,560
right

1714
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,320
oh you mean the torture place yeah

1715
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,800
though yeah oh yeah it's there still is

1716
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:17,280
it is it really yeah they look because

1717
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,560
people go and visit it they don't want

1718
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,239
to forget it and if people don't know

1719
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,600
what we're talking about quite literally

1720
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,120
they found like when you know when they

1721
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
say that they don't know how cattle

1722
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,120
we've never caught a culprit with cattle

1723
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,560
mutilations and things like that well

1724
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,159
that kind of a lot of that originated

1725
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,320
right there where they caught a cult

1726
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,320
stealing cows running them around in

1727
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,679
circles and sticking a pipe in their

1728
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,960
neck and would drain all the blood out

1729
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,719
of it and then they would do weird sick

1730
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,520
cult stuff down there and in that whole

1731
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,520
satan uh what does it what was it called

1732
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:45,679
back in the mid 80s

1733
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,040
satanic panic yes there was phd papers

1734
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,360
and uh in fbi documents and uh the show

1735
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,800
the state police the masters had to deal

1736
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:55,040
with it it was had a lot like sexology

1737
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,880
and weird stuff was all

1738
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,320
it was the time i don't know it wasn't

1739
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:00,560
my time but there was a time yeah no

1740
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,840
doubt no doubt no doubt um

1741
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,800
the the ufo side of things

1742
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,600
uh when you were in the military did you

1743
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:11,760
have any sightings and and what was the

1744
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,800
military

1745
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:14,400
considering what's happening today with

1746
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:16,640
the military right like every branch and

1747
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,159
ufos when you were in uh the service

1748
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,360
what was the attitude about ufos then

1749
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,280
there wasn't i was too busy doing the

1750
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,360
job and though i had a couple non you

1751
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:29,280
know insignificant experiences there

1752
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,640
wasn't

1753
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,400
my unit was a little too cor you know i

1754
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,600
don't want to sound like i'm you know

1755
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:35,120
building myself up here but my little

1756
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,400
unconventional industry and it was a

1757
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,920
little too high speed to be dealing with

1758
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,760
anything else but we were on this kind

1759
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,520
of darpa program at the time to work on

1760
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,880
the first heads up display in an

1761
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,120
infantry unit you know the one that uh

1762
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:46,560
is linked directly to what might have

1763
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:48,000
happened in the nimitz encounter but

1764
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,440
it's uh i was working on the land

1765
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,199
warrior system and so i

1766
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:53,920
we kind of had our head in the

1767
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:56,159
in the tech stuff for a while we were

1768
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:57,280
we weren't doing anything else but

1769
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,480
trying to catch the bad guy if you will

1770
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,840
running and gunning you know what i mean

1771
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,239
yeah yeah sure sure have you had your

1772
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,159
own siding

1773
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,400
oh yeah no i've had uh when i uh in the

1774
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,760
military had a few insignificant ones

1775
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,040
but i've had like the biggest one

1776
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,640
specifically is when i was a child and

1777
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,640
my mother didn't believe me and or the

1778
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,640
babysitter didn't believe me but

1779
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,840
one day we're walking back from feeding

1780
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,760
the horses back in 1996 and i was a

1781
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:19,040
youngster then i know it's not that long

1782
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,000
ago

1783
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:22,239
but uh i'm walking back and uh we fed

1784
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,440
the horse the same time every night

1785
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,960
southeastern massachusetts the sun's

1786
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,880
kind of going down it's late summer uh

1787
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,320
we look up in the sky and about seven

1788
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,679
thousand feet right there in taunton

1789
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,600
mass uh there's this trying black

1790
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,440
triangle aircraft had three white lights

1791
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,280
on it about seven thousand feet up we

1792
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,480
could see it it was a triangle but a

1793
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,400
small one because it was high up

1794
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,080
we took another step and my mother

1795
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,320
yelled holt can i i can't swear but she

1796
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,480
said holy ass you know she swore she

1797
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,480
screamed and she ran for her life i

1798
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,000
looked up to see what she was looking up

1799
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,360
at and right above the house this thing

1800
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,120
had dropped down right like like quite

1801
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,440
literally right above us and uh it went

1802
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:55,760
from my neighbor's driveway to the uh

1803
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,159
dead end road it had three white lights

1804
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:00,000
nothing in the center um it had the only

1805
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:01,360
part of it that wasn't the same color

1806
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,640
which was all gunmetal black was the

1807
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,440
very rear part the stern which had like

1808
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,440
i could only say gunmetal like it was

1809
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,440
like raw metal and i always just say as

1810
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:11,040
a child that looked like giant toenail

1811
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:12,640
clippers clipped it away because it had

1812
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,400
the shape of like that

1813
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,239
kind of like the rounded shape of a i

1814
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,880
was a child i don't know but um it was

1815
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:21,120
uh it slid over sideways silently it

1816
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,640
bent all the trees over right in front

1817
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,800
of us like literally all the trees bent

1818
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,040
and twisted and all types of crazy stuff

1819
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,800
it turned towards the nursing home on on

1820
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:30,800
norton ave and taught massachusetts and

1821
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:33,040
slowly drifted down the stream right to

1822
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,239
the nurse home and then we lost sight of

1823
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,239
it over there and you know she was

1824
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,400
that's the new stealth bomber

1825
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,480
and we i called otis air force base and

1826
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,560
became that kid they used to call otis

1827
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:43,760
all the time and

1828
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,679
and uh try to talk try to talk to anyone

1829
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,280
about it it got me on you know going to

1830
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,880
libraries looking up things and late you

1831
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:50,000
know a few years later i ended up

1832
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,280
finding out that i was just one of the

1833
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,640
people in southeastern massachusetts

1834
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,640
that has encountered that giant flying

1835
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,320
triangle i had absolutely no idea it was

1836
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:57,600
a common thing i

1837
01:17:01,910 --> 01:17:00,159
it's so common in fact that that

1838
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,920
you know people refer to the three

1839
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,360
lights that come out of the hakamak

1840
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:05,199
swamp like like they're an everyday

1841
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,480
sighting i had never even heard of it at

1842
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,360
the time now wait wait a second

1843
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:11,840
hold on a second

1844
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:15,120
so you have a class a sighting with your

1845
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,640
family

1846
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,760
um and this black triangle

1847
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:22,159
comes down above your house

1848
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,760
and you've got a clear view of this

1849
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:27,760
crystal clear

1850
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,679
when when you look back at it now

1851
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,679
was it our tech

1852
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:35,440
was that the united states air force was

1853
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:37,440
that darpa right or

1854
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:41,280
was that something otherworldly

1855
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,679
everything inside me praised to whoever

1856
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:47,760
prays to science or the universe or the

1857
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,880
source code or god that it's ours

1858
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:53,280
uh that's just me as being like a

1859
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,280
veteran or whatever because it was just

1860
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:57,199
it was so unbelievable and i tell you in

1861
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,719
a in uh like a uh one single step for a

1862
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,640
nine ten-year-old child that's what it

1863
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:04,159
took for to go for like seven thousand

1864
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,520
feet to right above our heads and my

1865
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,440
mother's reaction was perfect all those

1866
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,760
if you see a ufo you just freeze stories

1867
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:11,120
that is not what happened at all she

1868
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,239
thought a ufo was going to literally

1869
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:13,679
crash through her house on top of her

1870
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,280
head and her first reaction was to

1871
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,280
abandon her child in the backyard

1872
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,520
she just took off running and i was

1873
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:21,600
reasonable to me but i was fascinated i

1874
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,280
you know wow yeah now what do you uh

1875
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,600
what's your approach today

1876
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,560
uh and your view because

1877
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:32,640
you have a unique perspective here being

1878
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:35,679
a combat infantry vet veteran

1879
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,239
and the way that the military is

1880
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,239
approaching when i say the military i'm

1881
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,760
speaking speaking of everything the

1882
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,080
pentagon the department of defense yeah

1883
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,960
and and what they are doing today when

1884
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:48,239
it comes to

1885
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,239
ufos slash uaps and their approach to

1886
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:55,120
this what's your take on it

1887
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,000
well

1888
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,159
for my position because i'm not special

1889
01:19:03,030 --> 01:18:59,840
or anything but i'll tell you that the

1890
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,040
the navy had a uap problem as they've

1891
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,840
described uaps for 30 something years

1892
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:07,199
now it had nothing to do with aliens

1893
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:10,000
whatsoever it had to do tyler rogue away

1894
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:13,040
nailed it like dead on accurate that uh

1895
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:15,040
and it's the truth i if you follow the

1896
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:16,560
contracts and stuff in the evolution of

1897
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,080
anti-drone technology you go from

1898
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:19,760
everywhere from like 1987 they're trying

1899
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,520
to figure out how to launch nets

1900
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,320
to today where they're literally using

1901
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,920
what they call like ghost packed

1902
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,320
ghostbuster packs with with these uh

1903
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,560
with these big uh you know

1904
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,719
it looks like an m16 lower receiver with

1905
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,040
like a cone on the front and they have

1906
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,199
the drone sentry x boats they've made

1907
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,800
that are stealth boats that shoot right

1908
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,480
out on any of these uaps and knock them

1909
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:41,679
out of the sky

1910
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,560
um

1911
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,760
and you know it's a tough pill to

1912
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:45,120
swallow sometimes because i still

1913
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:46,480
believe that there is i mean i've had

1914
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,320
other experiences that are too it just i

1915
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,760
sound like a looney tune talking about

1916
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,360
them but the truth of the matter is that

1917
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:53,120
i absolutely believe the earth is being

1918
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,280
visited by something fantastical whether

1919
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,400
it lives here or it's visiting or

1920
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,239
whatever or it's not all one thing i

1921
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,480
just happen to know that the like not

1922
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,080
even it's not a guest to me anymore it's

1923
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,719
literally i know that our service

1924
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:06,719
members are in danger because the amount

1925
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,600
of time we've given our adversaries to

1926
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:11,840
develop ways to get through the giant

1927
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,159
colossus goliath structure that is our

1928
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,679
battlefield awareness

1929
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,960
when i was in the military we used

1930
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,280
things like fbcb2 which was systems that

1931
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,199
basically you know it was like it was a

1932
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:22,480
failure of course but it was basically a

1933
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,760
way to

1934
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:25,600
to link all these operations together at

1935
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,520
once and you know those same things the

1936
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:29,040
one system and all these you know all

1937
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,040
these systems have flaws and

1938
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,880
unfortunately when you

1939
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:34,560
you know when the us gets real good at

1940
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:36,000
like rolling through the south china sea

1941
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:37,520
like what are you gonna do about it you

1942
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:38,719
know what i mean over you know after a

1943
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,120
couple years you give it 40 40 50 years

1944
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:43,040
the chinese start figuring out like how

1945
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,400
to get around certain things and their

1946
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,960
confidence goes up i mean and to the

1947
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,239
point where now you can see where they

1948
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,320
literally fly right over taiwan they

1949
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,480
don't even like go around it or go if

1950
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,400
they if we come near they up their

1951
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,639
flights it's like and all of this puts

1952
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,320
our service members in extreme danger

1953
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,440
because what has happened is basically

1954
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,679
i in my personal opinion this is my own

1955
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,280
not the nx network or anyone else it's

1956
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,000
just mine is that there is a flaw in

1957
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,840
some system that is allowing primitive

1958
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:11,840
technology and regular uas systems to

1959
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,080
get past our stuff and in doing so they

1960
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,000
legit put our service members in danger

1961
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,600
and because we've we have this

1962
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,360
goliath-like system and these little

1963
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,960
primitive things are the ones getting

1964
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,760
through

1965
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:23,280
you know no one wants to admit that we

1966
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,880
might have put billions into a system

1967
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:26,480
that's not exactly the most perfect

1968
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,280
operating system out there and and so

1969
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,040
and and to link it to what's going on

1970
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:33,520
right today let's face the facts mr

1971
01:21:35,990 --> 01:21:34,639
church and i'm sure you know this you've

1972
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:36,000
been around a lot longer than i this

1973
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,239
indus this feel of ufology is a great

1974
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,400
place for people to make money

1975
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,480
that are directly linked to that topic

1976
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,760
in some way or another that they're not

1977
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,840
breaking their ndas they're not

1978
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,120
they're not necessarily even telling

1979
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,040
lies because there is a uap problem

1980
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,960
there is a real you so never as long as

1981
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:53,120
they don't dip out of the context but

1982
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,400
i mean i just got done talking to

1983
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,320
christian lambright for three hours

1984
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,639
before i got on with you and the guy

1985
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,040
laid out everything that happened to

1986
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,679
paul bennowitz to today so perfectly it

1987
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,199
was just like a puzzle coming together

1988
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,880
with basically no bias it was just like

1989
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:09,199
what we know today and and what we know

1990
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,760
is is that yeah ufos are here and

1991
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:14,080
they're sometimes interacting with us

1992
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,120
but

1993
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,040
it seems that our red teams are telling

1994
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,280
the truth and we need to start

1995
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,800
taking that hard pill to swallow which

1996
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:23,040
is we might be compromised to our

1997
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:25,120
adversaries right here on planet earth

1998
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,560
now

1999
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,560
if we take that

2000
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:30,639
and i understand everything that you

2001
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,760
just said and i'm and i'm sure

2002
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,239
that uh not only is it a problem but it

2003
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,920
is stuff that is being encountered all

2004
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:40,960
the time absolutely but

2005
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,040
what david fravor describes

2006
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:47,199
is not

2007
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,400
what

2008
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:50,159
you are describing as primitive

2009
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:51,920
technology that is breaking through the

2010
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,400
goliath yeah well that is one end of it

2011
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:56,560
for sure in the the the it's actually it

2012
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:58,080
is believe it or not though it sounds

2013
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,880
like it's not it's really

2014
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:00,080
counterintuitive to put this way and

2015
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,520
this is just my hypothesis of course

2016
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,960
there's multiple the reason why i feel

2017
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:04,560
like i'm connected because my darpa

2018
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,840
program i worked on for the heads-up

2019
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:08,320
display i think that heads-up display or

2020
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,920
neural implants have something very deep

2021
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,080
to do with what happened there but the

2022
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,239
five observables have been beat by our

2023
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,320
own tech

2024
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,800
pretty easily i mean they i just

2025
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,159
you know i just heard them discussed a

2026
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,400
minute ago but you know the the sudden

2027
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,560
instantaneous acceleration there have

2028
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,159
been hologram defense systems that are

2029
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,679
in play right now the chinese brag about

2030
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,960
them they say i dare you to launch a

2031
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,280
weapon on it so we literally shoot ghost

2032
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,600
jets out the bottom of our jets they

2033
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,440
take the shape of jets they show up on

2034
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,120
your different spectrums your weapons

2035
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,280
and they and then also it looks like

2036
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,280
it's defying physics because basically

2037
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:42,639
you can move it as fast as the laser or

2038
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,360
it can take um uh it shows up on all the

2039
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,800
weapon systems that are involved in our

2040
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,719
current service members hypersonic

2041
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:51,040
velocities without signatures well a

2042
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,719
plasma ball does not leave a signature

2043
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,080
other than where you're you're telling

2044
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,920
the signature to be sure

2045
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,440
yeah and so and of course they're

2046
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,120
oftentimes used from submersibles what

2047
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,360
did fravor and others and including the

2048
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,280
the very unknown um

2049
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,880
uh douglas schultz there what is his

2050
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,480
name um uh the other pilot that was

2051
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,000
above fravor and all those people that

2052
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,600
no one ever talks about that says he

2053
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,960
never saw a single thing he just saw the

2054
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,480
disturbance in the water

2055
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,320
um but uh you know that al those

2056
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,480
observables seem to be kind of a trans

2057
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:17,920
medium travel there has been trans

2058
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,480
medium aircraft developed from

2059
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,159
darpa to the chinese the russians and

2060
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,920
everyone in between for years and years

2061
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,800
and years

2062
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:27,040
positive lift well i think that one's

2063
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,400
obvious we've got things in the air that

2064
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,320
just move upwards in a very you can

2065
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,040
there are self-inflating counter icbm

2066
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:35,040
and electronic warfare foil balloons out

2067
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,480
there that do the exact same thing you

2068
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,920
actually see

2069
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,920
old technology returning it was just

2070
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:42,080
used in russia in ukraine the other day

2071
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,760
the new york the new york times posted

2072
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,920
an article with a headline mysterious

2073
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,719
munitions used in the ukraine they shot

2074
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:50,960
a rocket and what it did was it burst

2075
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,360
apart allegedly but this is exactly what

2076
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:54,880
we're expecting to some degree we don't

2077
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,000
know it's not going to be some colossus

2078
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,760
breakthrough knowledge or revelation but

2079
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,840
if they shot a missile and that missile

2080
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,679
spoofed our system by by letting out

2081
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,800
basically what looked like flag football

2082
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,960
like you know things that that were

2083
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,719
temperature controlled spoof the system

2084
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:10,239
and allowed the rest of rockets to go

2085
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,080
through that is that was something that

2086
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:14,000
was invented like in the early 80s but

2087
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,679
then went away because we had ir

2088
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:17,120
satellites and you didn't need to launch

2089
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,800
things anymore but now

2090
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:20,159
i can ramble about this forever but now

2091
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,440
that you know the chinese have an

2092
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,440
orbital vehicle vehicle that can park in

2093
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,920
orbit just wait for its operation it's a

2094
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,520
glide vehicle it doesn't set off any

2095
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,040
heat signature other than the one that's

2096
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,280
forming on the the coat of it's uh of

2097
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,760
its hull when it's coming in um but of

2098
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:35,679
course also active camouflage low

2099
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,920
observability when i was a private i got

2100
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:40,080
to see active camouflage like that's how

2101
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,679
common it was i tell everyone this on my

2102
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,440
show if the infantry uses it the

2103
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,360
civilians have it and it's been in

2104
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,000
operation the cia for 35 years like it's

2105
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:49,840
you know we get it last

2106
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,560
so

2107
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,239
if um

2108
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,320
if we're going to defeat the laws of

2109
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,199
gravity in newtonian physics and quantum

2110
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:00,320
physics and go from 80 000 feet to sea

2111
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:03,840
level in in a portion of a second

2112
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,880
and not have a sonic boom or a

2113
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,719
disturbance in the water

2114
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,360
um and then a release of energy that

2115
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,199
would have to happen when this thing

2116
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,280
stops right all of these things come

2117
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:18,239
into play yeah if you if you're going to

2118
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,560
defeat all of that

2119
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:23,040
two things are in play either it's a

2120
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,400
projection

2121
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:27,040
right traveling at the speed of light

2122
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:27,920
or

2123
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,679
it's it's some kind of anti-gravity

2124
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,679
technology that we don't understand it's

2125
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,920
it's it's either or one of them one

2126
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,719
other

2127
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,400
what's the third

2128
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,320
electronic counter measures

2129
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,679
you want this is something that was

2130
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,800
talked about right away when this

2131
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:45,040
happened but but but

2132
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:47,120
that third okay

2133
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,719
i don't want to debate when we're on

2134
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:51,040
limited time but i would say this

2135
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,800
um but uh according to fravor he saw it

2136
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,719
that it would apply in electronic

2137
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,480
counter measures if you're only going to

2138
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,960
see it on radar and sensor equipment

2139
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,800
right but if you're seeing it with your

2140
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:05,440
own eyes then it's something else all

2141
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,560
together

2142
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,480
well i i do think they were using a

2143
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,560
heads up display i think they were using

2144
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,360
a a augmented reality heads-up display

2145
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,199
and there are and like of course there

2146
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:17,199
are parts of this they simply cannot you

2147
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,560
know it's like you know alleged

2148
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,159
conspiracy whatever i cannot fill in the

2149
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,880
blank of too but i i do think there we

2150
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,320
don't know the whole story at all and

2151
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,239
there's a reason why there was a story

2152
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,840
pitched and a few that have been

2153
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,520
directly linked to the to the birth this

2154
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:30,800
thing i mean

2155
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,000
said that they didn't want to read from

2156
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:34,080
a script or whatever i i don't know i i

2157
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,679
personally i don't want to sound like

2158
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,520
i'm this super cynical person about it

2159
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,520
but i mean to me when this whole thing

2160
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,880
started up i got really excited because

2161
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,000
of uap

2162
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:43,840
and then i remembered what everyone you

2163
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,239
know i worked on government contracts

2164
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:48,480
and i i everything that i was being told

2165
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:51,360
about louis elizondo was off and here's

2166
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,880
why i mean like when someone says

2167
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,320
they're a crusader for taking a

2168
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:56,239
contractor job here's the deal in the

2169
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:57,679
military i'm not here's the deal i don't

2170
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,040
even talk to the capital in the in the

2171
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,960
infantry if you legit

2172
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:02,480
leave the infantry for a contractor

2173
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:04,159
position you're getting paid a ton more

2174
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:07,280
money the infantry or or ci jobs that we

2175
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,800
don't get signing bonuses while working

2176
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:10,159
for the pentagon of the military but

2177
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,440
when you leave and you go take a job

2178
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:13,040
somewhere else this

2179
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,800
share options the signing bonuses you're

2180
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,000
not a hero

2181
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,480
the the whistleblowers and crusaders

2182
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,800
tend not to live good lives profitable

2183
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,560
lives after the book deals and things

2184
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:24,960
like that and quite frankly when we've

2185
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,320
mixed the names ufo and uap i guess for

2186
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:30,480
stigma reasons but we've made them as

2187
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,000
ambiguous as birds balloons and

2188
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,400
everything else it and we and that

2189
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,320
already is a problem that the navy has

2190
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,840
been dealing with for years you can see

2191
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:38,960
the contracts are out there in the

2192
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,719
hundreds of millions of dollars

2193
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:42,000
in fact one just got awarded the other

2194
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,679
day that to us the only one bitter

2195
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,280
that's how few companies are helping the

2196
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,199
navy solve this problem there was one

2197
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,360
bidder for the entire anti-drone problem

2198
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,360
they're dealing with around yeah it's

2199
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:53,520
just it's and again i've had so many

2200
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:55,920
weird experiences and so everyone i know

2201
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:58,320
uh that knows me i'm a high integrity

2202
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,520
person i'm not going to waste anyone's

2203
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,360
time i'm too lazy to be lying about it

2204
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:03,920
but it's just to me it screams

2205
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:05,280
a narrative

2206
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,560
that

2207
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:08,320
almost i i couldn't tell you what for

2208
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,679
but it sure does seem like one of the

2209
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,840
most expensive systems in play can be

2210
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,360
spoofed and has now made our service

2211
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:15,040
members vulnerable and we're all talking

2212
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,400
about like ghostbusting and stuff you

2213
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:18,000
know you know it's like holy cow hold on

2214
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,520
let's let's make sure all our service

2215
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:21,199
members are safe before we say that

2216
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:22,639
these things out there are some sort of

2217
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,199
otherworldly travelers who are affecting

2218
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,280
our dna living under the ocean creating

2219
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,440
moon bases projection beams like it's

2220
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:31,679
like whoa well i haven't heard lou talk

2221
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,400
about uaps once since he's been out he's

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01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,320
only been talking about aliens

2223
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,040
not one time and that whole concept of

2224
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,800
that office was to protect the force

2225
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:42,320
that's what his

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01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,360
yeah i i

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01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:45,199
interesting

2228
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,280
i think you should go back and listen to

2229
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,840
some of lou's interviews um on this show

2230
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:53,920
though um it's uh

2231
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,520
uh it's an interesting road that that he

2232
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,600
finds himself on now

2233
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,639
and and certainly uh you know pushing

2234
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:04,560
for this in washington

2235
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,440
uh

2236
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,120
him and chris mellon

2237
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,760
um and and trying to get to these

2238
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:12,159
answers i think it's it's most important

2239
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,000
because if the government knows anything

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01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,320
they're not going to volunteer it and we

2241
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:18,480
have to have somebody there to keep the

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01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,199
pressure on and i i just think that's uh

2243
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,760
the the best way forward

2244
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:25,840
and and i i

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01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,199
i'm excited about where we are today and

2246
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,000
i i will agree with you though jeff

2247
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:34,480
is that there are definitely two things

2248
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,000
going on here

2249
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,159
the universe is just too big

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01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:40,560
there's tons of life out there and they

2251
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,040
are fully aware if if they're an

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01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,360
advanced alien civilization they're

2253
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,520
fully aware of planet earth just like we

2254
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,199
are looking for exoplanets every single

2255
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:51,679
day right right okay so we have that and

2256
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:54,639
then we have the issues here on earth

2257
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,040
with our adversaries and with skunk

2258
01:31:02,550 --> 01:30:59,679
works right and the development of

2259
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:02,560
things so sure the the two things are

2260
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:05,120
running at the same time and we need to

2261
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,320
separate uh and try to figure out uh one

2262
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:09,920
from the other and certainly i think

2263
01:31:13,270 --> 01:31:12,320
that's pointed in the uap task force

2264
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:13,280
report

2265
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:16,000
where they don't know what is going on

2266
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:17,360
and they're trying to get to the bottom

2267
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:20,400
of it when does your show air

2268
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:22,000
uh it's on the nx network on wednesday

2269
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,000
it's 9 00 p.m open it up for you good

2270
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:26,400
sir on nine and every other on my own

2271
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:27,840
show every day i'm on there doing a

2272
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:29,280
little radio for a couple hours three

2273
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:31,760
hours a day you're the best jeff hey man

2274
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:33,520
welcome to the family

2275
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,800
thank you very much sir i appreciate you

2276
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:36,159
having me you have

2277
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:39,679
next time we'll focus on one issue

2278
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:40,880
that sounds perfect we should probably

2279
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,159
play some music i've been wanting to

2280
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,560
play a jam with you for for damn near

2281
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,800
eight years or so i'll talk to you jeff

2282
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:48,560
let's get that done all right see you

2283
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,719
later have a great night this is fade to

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01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:52,719
black jeff kingsbury

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01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:55,840
his show is strange recon and you can

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also go to

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strangerrecon.com i'm your host jimmy

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01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,000
church

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01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:02,000
i'll be right back with john greenwald

2290
01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:04,660
stay with me

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01:32:10,540 --> 01:32:21,350
[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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2365
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,310
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2366
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2367
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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:31,160
so

2371
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,910
welcome back fate to black i am your

2372
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:43,600
host jimmy church

2373
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:46,239
i want to thank alan b smith for coming

2374
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,440
in earlier and jeff kingsbury man

2375
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,600
lighting it up tonight

2376
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:53,840
up next john greenwald

2377
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:56,080
john greenwald of the black vault began

2378
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,600
researching the secrets of the us

2379
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,520
government 1996

2380
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:02,159
at the age of 15 targeting the cia fbi

2381
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:05,040
pentagon air force army navy nsa dia and

2382
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,560
countless others

2383
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,639
greenwald utilized the freedom of

2384
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:10,320
information act to gain access to

2385
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:11,920
millions of records

2386
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,840
is he named his online archive

2387
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,280
the black vault

2388
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,040
and the rest is history i would like to

2389
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,520
welcome back to fade to black john

2390
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:23,280
greenwald john

2391
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,119
you did it again man you did it again

2392
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,199
well i don't know what i did but it's uh

2393
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,960
good to be back here jimmy thanks for

2394
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,040
for inviting me man you look sunburned

2395
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,520
what the heck i am i'm glad that you're

2396
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,119
not broadcasting the video you should

2397
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,960
have saw me two days ago i told you that

2398
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,360
uh my son had a soccer tournament oh i

2399
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:43,679
got roasted out there so

2400
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,119
i got the raccoon yeah you do

2401
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:49,440
yeah for real like for real yeah you got

2402
01:37:54,070 --> 01:37:52,159
the you got the hat you got the hat

2403
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,080
yeah and and uh like i said you should

2404
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,600
have saw me two two days ago it's pretty

2405
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,719
embarrassing oh right on man right on it

2406
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,040
it's so funny as you get older i mean

2407
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:02,880
sunscreen and things like that were

2408
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,679
never part of growing up you know and it

2409
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,960
just wasn't

2410
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,960
it is when you get older

2411
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:10,560
yeah sadly

2412
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,840
so i i even put it on too but i yeah son

2413
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,480
son got to me it was in ventura so

2414
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:19,119
beautiful sunshine overcast and that

2415
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:22,880
roasts me even worse so you did it again

2416
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,080
um i i don't know how

2417
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:28,400
uh you managed to pull all of this off

2418
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:30,480
you've gotta and right now currently

2419
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,880
you've got a lot of irons in the fire

2420
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,960
and i really appreciate the way that you

2421
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:36,639
keep everybody updated on your

2422
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:39,840
frustrations and and and that is a key

2423
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,000
to this and i think that we all know

2424
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:44,480
that in the in the future here

2425
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,679
uh some things are going to uh be coming

2426
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:50,080
in we just don't know the timing of it

2427
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,480
but you're keeping us all updated

2428
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:55,040
um but this uh classified version of the

2429
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:56,320
report

2430
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:57,360
um

2431
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:00,560
i i was relieved to see that the media

2432
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,679
was not tiring of this subject and

2433
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,159
immediately picked up on

2434
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,440
uh

2435
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:09,119
your efforts over the last couple of

2436
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:10,560
weeks not only with the classified

2437
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,080
report but of course uh the obama

2438
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,040
archives uh at the library uh this this

2439
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,600
was big news uh throughout the media uh

2440
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:21,679
around the world wasn't it was pretty

2441
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,239
crazy a couple of weeks yeah it was it

2442
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:26,560
did start with that obama story where i

2443
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:27,679
had discovered

2444
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:30,639
potentially well over a hundred thousand

2445
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,520
pages on ufos uap

2446
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,480
and ultimately atip and asap they broke

2447
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,080
it down a little bit

2448
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,400
obviously through the obama years that

2449
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:42,239
program was going on

2450
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,199
and it seems that the obama white house

2451
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,920
had some ufo records so to quickly

2452
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,920
summarize it because a lot of people

2453
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:51,280
were thrown things like oh these are

2454
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,360
newspaper articles you know these are

2455
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:57,119
publicly available you know just

2456
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,639
essentially newspaper clippings that

2457
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:00,960
were forwarded around internally

2458
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:03,920
my search omitted all of that

2459
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:06,560
it also omitted public letters so let's

2460
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:09,040
say jimmy church sends a letter to the

2461
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,520
obama administration that will be

2462
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,320
archived in the presidential records uh

2463
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,480
we we we know that for a fact we've seen

2464
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,560
it in past presidential libraries jimmy

2465
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:21,119
carter is one that has thousands of them

2466
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:22,960
i omitted that too

2467
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,320
so they have literally thousands upon

2468
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,719
thousands of digital files which

2469
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,320
essentially total

2470
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:32,239
it appears to be over a hundred thousand

2471
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,040
pages on ufos and so we have a

2472
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,880
a large

2473
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,639
trove of information waiting to be

2474
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,280
uncovered now the downside to that was

2475
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,600
the estimate of how long it would take

2476
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:47,600
for them to review the material and they

2477
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,440
told me 16 years

2478
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:50,560
and

2479
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:56,320
i am currently in a fight with them

2480
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:59,280
to get what's called a expedited request

2481
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,480
granted

2482
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,639
they denied it and i feel that i have

2483
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,280
met their criteria from top to bottom so

2484
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:07,280
i have appealed that to a higher

2485
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:08,719
authority they call it the appellate

2486
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,119
authority and we'll see what happens so

2487
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:12,719
that fight is still going on i mean a

2488
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,480
lot of people just were like oh 16 years

2489
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,719
who cares uh just know that that i

2490
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,719
didn't accept that and in fact i think i

2491
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,000
put up a good case for it to be

2492
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:22,800
expedited now what's the alternative do

2493
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,239
you go to the obama library yourself and

2494
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,719
go through the documents and and make

2495
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:30,800
copies and and take photographs can you

2496
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:33,679
do that well in in some cases you can

2497
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,560
but the obama library is not like that

2498
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:38,960
so they do not have it open for

2499
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,199
researchers to go in because i offered

2500
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,880
that is there any way

2501
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,880
and and by the way i didn't note that

2502
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,520
these numbers are the unclassified

2503
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:49,679
material so even though that it needs to

2504
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,320
be reviewed the classified material

2505
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:54,320
hasn't even been tallied yet

2506
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:56,560
so i had offered i said what if i fly

2507
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:59,119
there can i see the unclassified

2508
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,360
material and the obama library for

2509
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:03,760
whatever reason uh has everybody shut

2510
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,480
down uh shutout of the library when it

2511
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,719
comes to that so they turn that down so

2512
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:10,800
the alternative is to wait

2513
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:14,000
or you work with them to try and and and

2514
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,440
round down your request because not

2515
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:17,840
everything that goes in takes 16 years

2516
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,880
but with the size that this this yielded

2517
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:23,119
the size of information they're saying

2518
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,719
it's 16 years

2519
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,400
so i'm hoping that they're going to

2520
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:28,800
figure out a way to

2521
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:31,520
help alleviate that load because

2522
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:34,880
you know they they estimated 4.5 million

2523
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:38,000
pages that needed to be reviewed before

2524
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:40,400
my uh request

2525
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:43,920
and it only was about 86 or so cases

2526
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:45,760
and what that means in plain english is

2527
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:48,719
86 cases yielded four and a half million

2528
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,000
pages

2529
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,159
the government should push back a little

2530
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:54,080
bit on the requester to hone hone it

2531
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:55,360
down a little bit

2532
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,960
and as much as i don't want to do that

2533
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,360
as a researcher i want everything nobody

2534
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:01,600
wants to do that if the alternative is

2535
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,400
waiting nearly two decades uh then let's

2536
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:06,400
all work together and try and you know

2537
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,320
round it down a little bit so the fact

2538
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:10,239
that they're not forcing requesters to

2539
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:12,159
do that and just saying oh

2540
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,960
okay you know we got to review 150 000

2541
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,119
pages for your request it's bad

2542
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:19,600
management in my opinion so as much as i

2543
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,960
don't want to do that i want to

2544
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:22,159
encourage

2545
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:25,520
these types of of fixes for these

2546
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:28,080
agencies but specifically a presidential

2547
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,600
library that's just getting their feet

2548
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,360
on the ground so they may not realize

2549
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,000
that they can push back a little bit and

2550
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:36,960
and i i uh not to repeat myself don't

2551
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:39,760
like doing that as a requester but hey

2552
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,040
if it chops if it chops my 16 year to

2553
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:45,360
two or three years uh but i i get less

2554
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,000
information fine let's let's start there

2555
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:50,840
i mean i'm picturing

2556
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,040
some some old guy old lady you know one

2557
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:57,360
page at a time going over to the copy

2558
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,560
machine

2559
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:59,520
right

2560
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,280
and and and that's that's why it's

2561
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:03,520
taking 16 years

2562
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,159
aren't these all digital at this point

2563
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:08,960
not everything so there were about three

2564
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,679
to four thousand paper files that were

2565
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:13,360
in the process of being digitized that

2566
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,159
were responsive to my request

2567
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,880
the 20 plus thousand

2568
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,400
digital files

2569
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,800
which i when i omitted the things that i

2570
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:24,800
already went over i think it came down

2571
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:26,960
to about fourteen thousand was the last

2572
01:44:31,669 --> 01:44:29,520
number and so they estimate that those

2573
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,679
digital files again are roughly a

2574
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:34,320
hundred thousand pages uh what those are

2575
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,000
i'm not sure i was trying to get those

2576
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,639
details from them so yes the majority of

2577
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,560
it is digitized but there's still a lot

2578
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:42,800
of paper records even during the obama

2579
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,040
administration that needs to be reviewed

2580
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,280
and scanned and digitized well okay so

2581
01:44:50,950 --> 01:44:49,920
put the 3000 aside we'll circle back to

2582
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,960
that

2583
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:52,719
dropbox me

2584
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,840
the 14 000 files let's go i mean yeah i

2585
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,600
wish that it worked like that so even

2586
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:59,840
though the material is unclassified it

2587
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:02,639
still requires a review so there could

2588
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:05,920
be personal cell phone numbers addresses

2589
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,440
social security numbers for whatever

2590
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:09,520
reason again i'm just kind of growing

2591
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:11,840
off the top of my head here but

2592
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,800
even though documents are unclassified

2593
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,639
there are still exemption categories

2594
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,199
that apply to unclassified material

2595
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:21,199
again personally identifying information

2596
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:22,239
as one

2597
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,080
uh accidental

2598
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,400
labeling of unclassified information

2599
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,480
with something as classified as another

2600
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,040
that does happen also where

2601
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,639
you know presidential records are off

2602
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,639
limits until five years after they leave

2603
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:37,199
office so a lot of times in the white

2604
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,080
house

2605
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,400
those type of document controls slip a

2606
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,159
little bit nobody really likes talking

2607
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,400
about that but it happens because the

2608
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,239
foia just doesn't apply so they're off

2609
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:48,080
limits so a lot of times they're

2610
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:50,239
creating these documents and yeah they

2611
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:51,760
may have a secret paragraph in there

2612
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:54,000
where the document should be secret but

2613
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,480
they don't it's unclassified and it goes

2614
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,960
so long list of reasons why they just

2615
01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:00,400
can't dump

2616
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,560
unclassified material out there i really

2617
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:04,080
wish they could but they just won't do

2618
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:05,199
it yeah

2619
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,760
i i don't see an automated process for

2620
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:10,000
that it seems like there should be some

2621
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,440
type of

2622
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:14,239
machine learning software to go in and

2623
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:16,719
extract you know redact

2624
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:19,840
uh names and addresses i i get that part

2625
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,239
right the personal identifiers and

2626
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,320
removing that but the other stuff

2627
01:46:29,910 --> 01:46:27,119
classified paragraphs potentially

2628
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:29,920
that's just somebody's got to read it

2629
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:32,080
yeah and that's what it is it's a manual

2630
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,040
review

2631
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,520
from top to bottom making sure that

2632
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:37,760
nothing is exempted and that's just the

2633
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:39,679
unclassified

2634
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,679
they they they have controlled

2635
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,560
unclassified information so

2636
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,199
again it it's it doesn't matter what the

2637
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:49,600
what the classification is it needs a

2638
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,159
review no matter what regardless so i

2639
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,480
mean but what's the purpose of having

2640
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,880
access to this if nobody can have access

2641
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:58,400
to it right

2642
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:00,800
if you've got to wait 16 years to have

2643
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:02,320
access to it then everybody's going to

2644
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:04,159
throw up their hands and nobody's ever

2645
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,679
going to see it so what what's the

2646
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,760
purpose of even having these documents

2647
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:09,520
in in the library

2648
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,400
so the the at least the saving grace in

2649
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,239
this is that not every agency has

2650
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,639
16-year wait times and that's what i

2651
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:18,719
mean about this library hopefully

2652
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:22,000
somebody will go in and and reform their

2653
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:23,280
process a little bit because they're

2654
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:25,920
just open at the end of january so that

2655
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:28,239
was the five-year mark uh after the

2656
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:29,760
trump administration and the first year

2657
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,560
biden now the obama library is open so i

2658
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:34,000
think that they're still kind of getting

2659
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:35,119
their feet on the ground and

2660
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,880
understanding the process right that's

2661
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:38,560
my speculation i don't know that for a

2662
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,639
fact but again with four and a half

2663
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:42,480
million pages that they're saying oh we

2664
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,199
got to review all those no most agencies

2665
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:47,520
will push back if i filed a request to

2666
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,560
the cia or the nsa and it yielded a

2667
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,719
hundred thousand pages they'll push back

2668
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,400
on me and they'll say no that you need

2669
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,239
to round this down a little bit

2670
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,639
and we'll get that hundred thousand down

2671
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:00,800
to five thousand or ten thousand and

2672
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,280
that's understandable you can also fight

2673
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,960
it in some cases and just say no i'll

2674
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,040
pay for all hundred thousand but you

2675
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:09,119
know you're looking at a huge charge so

2676
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:11,119
the fact that the library is not doing

2677
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:14,239
that uh is also kind of confusing to me

2678
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:15,040
so

2679
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,840
in my appeal i said i would continue to

2680
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:20,080
work with the library to whittle this

2681
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,040
down

2682
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:22,960
into something that is much more

2683
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,360
reasonable but i still feel that i met

2684
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,280
the requirement for an expedited

2685
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:29,040
processing so i'm waiting for that

2686
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,199
appeal to come in if it's if it's

2687
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:33,679
granted then it goes back to the library

2688
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,440
and then they start working with me on

2689
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,679
on winding this down a little bit and

2690
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,199
getting it uh whittled to something

2691
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:41,280
that's more reasonable i want to move on

2692
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:43,840
to the uap task force report and i'm

2693
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:46,560
going to let the audience know that uh

2694
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:49,679
john greenwald is sitting in front of me

2695
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:52,560
with a sunburnt face and an o'neill

2696
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,400
t-shirt trying to look like he's og cool

2697
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:58,880
well since it's just us i am og cool

2698
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:01,119
okay just don't uh broadcast the video

2699
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,480
yeah i i got an o'neill t-shirt on man

2700
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,400
yeah that is yeah i'm usually in the

2701
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:08,320
black you know the button down black

2702
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:12,080
black vault logo on it but hey

2703
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,520
we're buddies you ain't broadcasting the

2704
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:15,920
video so i'm in my jammies there you go

2705
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,199
there you go now um the uap task force

2706
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,560
uh report now um

2707
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,480
uh i would like to know how you pulled

2708
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:26,400
it off one i don't think that was an

2709
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,840
easy feat i know that you've done a

2710
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,520
video on this

2711
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:31,760
um and you've done a great write-up over

2712
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:34,000
at the black vault and i i've put out

2713
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,920
the links but i encourage everybody to

2714
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,679
go and check that out and you can go and

2715
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,840
download the file i've been uh talking

2716
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:42,000
about this now for a week

2717
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:43,440
and i'm sure that most of the audience

2718
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,639
has already

2719
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:45,840
accessed

2720
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,360
uh the document over at the black vault

2721
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:52,000
when we call this

2722
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:53,520
classified

2723
01:50:02,950 --> 01:49:58,400
when we go back to january of 2000 or

2724
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:02,960
january june of june 25th of 2021 and we

2725
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,440
had the classified and the unclassified

2726
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,000
versions of the report we all

2727
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:10,639
read the unclassified version

2728
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:14,800
this is the classified section correct

2729
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:17,920
uh the classified version version so so

2730
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,400
the the nine pager that we all got was

2731
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:22,000
the public version

2732
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:22,719
the

2733
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,159
uh congress got a 17-page version so it

2734
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:27,520
wasn't a

2735
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:30,400
section of it but rather it was a

2736
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:33,199
expanded version so what i did in the

2737
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,880
video is

2738
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,800
literally put them side by side and

2739
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:39,280
chopped up the nine pages and showed

2740
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:40,880
what they likely did was took the

2741
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,639
17-page document as a starting point

2742
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,719
then chopped it to nine pages and then

2743
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:48,639
that's what was released to the public

2744
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,239
and i'm including the title page in that

2745
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:51,760
but it was like seven of the report but

2746
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,679
regardless it was like a nine page

2747
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,840
report so they chopped it essentially in

2748
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,199
half so i think that they had the

2749
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:00,159
starting version and then went down to

2750
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,719
the the public version so what i had

2751
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,440
done uh in a nutshell is

2752
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,760
that friday when it was published to the

2753
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:09,199
general public

2754
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,719
we all knew that there was going to be a

2755
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,480
classified report

2756
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:14,639
and so i had immediately filed what's

2757
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:16,560
called a mandatory declassification

2758
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:17,520
review

2759
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:19,679
to get that version

2760
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:20,800
reviewed

2761
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,080
and potentially declassified obviously

2762
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,560
my target is declassified in full but i

2763
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,480
didn't have high hopes for that

2764
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,400
but i did have high hopes for

2765
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:32,639
declassified in part and that's what

2766
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:33,520
happened

2767
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:36,639
so fast forward down to this last week

2768
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:41,040
it took from june 26 2021 uh to last

2769
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,480
week to get this report uh my follow-ups

2770
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:46,840
my annoyances to the

2771
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:49,280
odni numbered well into the double

2772
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,480
digits

2773
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,560
most of them were ignored

2774
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,000
i was given the impression this would

2775
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:56,159
take about six to eight weeks i was

2776
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:57,840
doubtful but hopeful

2777
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:01,199
and sadly it again took until this last

2778
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,119
week here in march of 2022. so it's a

2779
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:07,360
it's a process that is very similar to

2780
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,320
foia

2781
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:10,320
but uh to really kind of summarize the

2782
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:11,280
difference

2783
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:15,280
and mdr forced the agency to take the

2784
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,599
classified version and immediately put

2785
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:19,199
it into a review

2786
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:21,119
so you can do that that's all right

2787
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,880
under mdr it's a code of federal

2788
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:25,119
regulation and it varies for every

2789
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:27,599
agency but it allows us it affords us

2790
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:29,840
the opportunity to go to that agency and

2791
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:31,920
say okay look you have this classified

2792
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,560
video classified photo or classified

2793
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,040
report here's my request to have that

2794
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,440
reviewed and as long as it had not been

2795
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,719
reviewed in the last two years

2796
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,119
then they need to review it and in this

2797
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,199
particular case it was brand new hot off

2798
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,360
the press so regardless of it being

2799
01:52:54,550 --> 01:52:51,679
published as classified it was never

2800
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:54,560
reviewed so my case forced them to

2801
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:56,480
immediately do it

2802
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:58,320
one myth that's out there is that it has

2803
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,960
to wait you have to wait 25 years uh for

2804
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:02,800
classified information to be reviewed

2805
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,520
and declassified that is all bunk that

2806
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,000
is not true uh this report wasn't even

2807
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,119
24 hours and i had it already um in in a

2808
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:12,880
review process

2809
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:13,920
so

2810
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:14,880
now

2811
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:18,320
let me uh ask the obvious question

2812
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,440
because

2813
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:21,520
i don't think anybody on this planet has

2814
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:24,239
laid eyes on more documents than john

2815
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:25,520
greenwald

2816
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,080
and and that's it so that being said

2817
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:31,920
with the anticipation of in our

2818
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:35,199
knowledge of the original release of the

2819
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:36,960
public side of this the unclassified

2820
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,440
back in june of 2021

2821
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:41,360
versus what you got your hands on

2822
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:43,920
finally released last week

2823
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:46,159
what's your take

2824
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:49,040
of the classified side of this

2825
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:55,109
i was taken aback last year when they

2826
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:56,639
told me that the classified version was

2827
01:54:02,790 --> 01:53:59,119
only 17 pages long

2828
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:02,800
and that has erupted into a controversy

2829
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:06,000
that started last year and really ramped

2830
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,679
up again this week and in short the

2831
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:08,960
reason is

2832
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,880
is because there were a small handful of

2833
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,199
people that were speaking with authority

2834
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:16,320
that what congress was handed was a 74

2835
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:17,199
page

2836
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:24,000
was given to congress

2837
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:25,520
we weren't talking about drafts we

2838
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,719
weren't talking about classified

2839
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:29,199
briefings i only pulled those that were

2840
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:31,040
speaking with that authority and in fact

2841
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:32,719
it was on your show as well

2842
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,520
where these numbers were given so when i

2843
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,840
reported last year that it was 17 pages

2844
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:39,199
i mean i got

2845
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:42,719
blasted uh by some corners of this uh of

2846
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:44,960
this conversation simply because there

2847
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,719
were all these other

2848
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:48,400
numbers floating around

2849
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:50,639
when i got it this last week and it

2850
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:53,760
confirmed it was 17 pages that that

2851
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,719
controversy has erupted again so that is

2852
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,800
actually one of my bigger takeaways not

2853
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,119
because there's the controversy but

2854
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,840
rather the smaller size the public got

2855
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:05,920
the nine pager and yes granted this is

2856
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,840
bigger but i would have thought that

2857
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:09,520
they would have more

2858
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,560
so

2859
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:12,480
when i learned it last year but then it

2860
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:16,080
solidified in this this this last week

2861
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:17,920
that to me was kind of indicative that

2862
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:20,080
they really didn't give congress that

2863
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:21,119
much

2864
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:23,920
what we can however see from the 17-page

2865
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,679
report is that congress did get details

2866
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:30,000
on cases that we didn't know about

2867
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:32,239
now we know that they started from 2004

2868
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:34,320
we knew that from the public report

2869
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:35,840
obviously that's the nimitz i think

2870
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:38,000
that's a safe assumption but we started

2871
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:40,480
seeing other encounters other encounters

2872
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:43,199
of multiple objects being detected by

2873
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:45,119
not only the pilots and whizzos of the

2874
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,480
aircraft but also multiple sensors

2875
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:50,960
ones that were essentially outperforming

2876
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:51,679
our

2877
01:55:56,310 --> 01:55:54,159
aircraft in high wind environments

2878
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,320
that's what congress saw and now that

2879
01:56:02,470 --> 01:55:58,719
this is declassified

2880
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,480
in part we are able to see some of those

2881
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:05,040
details and and start to see that

2882
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:07,199
whatever this phenomena is

2883
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,800
uh it is something that isn't just

2884
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:10,800
stories they're not just people coming

2885
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:13,440
forward and say hey i saw this and i saw

2886
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:16,000
that and my aircraft this my aircraft

2887
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:18,320
that no that's not what this was this

2888
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,880
reinforces that the incidents that they

2889
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,159
looked into

2890
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:24,080
were in addition to the stories and

2891
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:26,719
testimony there were multiple what they

2892
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:28,880
called reliable systems

2893
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:30,880
that were used as cooperating evidence

2894
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,040
to support that they were having these

2895
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,760
strange unidentified encounters

2896
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,480
so

2897
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:38,159
in a nutshell that's really what this

2898
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:40,560
17-page report

2899
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:43,760
showed me was that there's a lot more

2900
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:46,080
and and then to to to kind of further

2901
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,280
that thought

2902
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:49,360
uh there's there's a lot more

2903
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:52,159
classification about some of this

2904
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,920
that that also surprised me now

2905
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,280
some of these redactions they're going

2906
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,360
to be acceptable right they're going to

2907
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:00,960
make sense when we talk about our

2908
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:04,080
classified weapon systems our sensors

2909
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:05,599
stuff like that those redactions

2910
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,280
although are frustrating

2911
01:57:10,149 --> 01:57:08,960
you can understand why they're there

2912
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,159
they don't want to talk about our

2913
01:57:15,910 --> 01:57:12,560
capabilities or ultimately our

2914
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:15,920
vulnerabilities however that wasn't what

2915
01:57:21,189 --> 01:57:19,360
was the entire part that was redacted

2916
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:21,199
one of the most frustrating was the

2917
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:25,760
shapes of uap yes yes yes yes so uh page

2918
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:26,880
13

2919
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:28,719
i think right and there were a couple

2920
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,560
other pages that referenced what the

2921
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:32,560
common shapes were so they had the table

2922
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,400
and the breakdown right and that was

2923
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:35,920
obviously the most frustrating because

2924
01:57:42,870 --> 01:57:38,960
there's either diagrams photographs or

2925
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,880
silhouettes yes yes so so so there's

2926
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:44,480
there's a lot of speculation on what's

2927
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:46,239
under that but it was completely black

2928
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:48,880
so we know the header that it was uh a

2929
01:57:52,709 --> 01:57:51,040
table of which were the common shapes

2930
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:52,719
and then underneath that were the

2931
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:55,360
irregular shapes or uncommon shapes all

2932
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:58,800
redacted wouldn't show us a single shape

2933
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:00,080
and then there were other pages that

2934
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:03,040
were talking about what the summation of

2935
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:05,520
the cases were that a lot of the the

2936
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:06,880
cases had

2937
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:08,560
you know redacted

2938
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,760
uh shapes so they didn't give away any

2939
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:13,920
of that type of information

2940
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:16,159
and in my appeal what i did was i

2941
01:58:19,750 --> 01:58:18,239
specifically targeted that that

2942
01:58:21,189 --> 01:58:19,760
information saying

2943
01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:21,199
it doesn't make sense for you guys to

2944
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:22,639
redact this as long as there's no

2945
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:26,320
identifying information or sensitive

2946
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:28,159
a sensitive reveal of anything

2947
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,320
classified which i highly doubt in a

2948
01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:32,400
picture or still frame

2949
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:33,920
we're not talking about metadata so

2950
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,320
there's going to be none of that

2951
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:39,119
what's the justification to to classify

2952
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:41,360
it and there's none in my opinion they

2953
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,239
did cite what what is the exemption for

2954
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:46,560
uh military operations

2955
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:48,560
and military plans and none of that

2956
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,440
makes sense either because if they say

2957
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:53,599
in their report which they did that they

2958
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:55,920
could not peg a single case

2959
01:59:01,910 --> 01:58:59,440
to u.s technology or top secret

2960
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:01,920
technology or even in the commercial

2961
01:59:05,830 --> 01:59:04,400
sector any type of secret tech

2962
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:05,840
whatsoever

2963
01:59:11,189 --> 01:59:08,560
then how can you say it's military plans

2964
01:59:13,990 --> 01:59:11,199
and you know military operations that

2965
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:14,000
allowed you to exempt this so that's

2966
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:16,400
what i'm fighting and so i formulated my

2967
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:19,040
appeal to target those areas saying this

2968
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:20,960
doesn't make sense so you can't say in

2969
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:24,000
one breath it's not us and then redacted

2970
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:26,000
saying oh it's our plans well that

2971
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:28,560
doesn't make sense so so something

2972
01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:31,520
doesn't sit right there so i'm hoping

2973
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:33,760
that that my appeal will be granted and

2974
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:36,400
some of this will come out i really want

2975
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:39,440
to see the table of shapes

2976
01:59:47,109 --> 01:59:44,400
i just don't see the need for that to be

2977
01:59:48,229 --> 01:59:47,119
redacted unless it's going to reveal the

2978
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:48,239
shape of

2979
01:59:54,790 --> 01:59:52,239
some russian drone right i i doubt that

2980
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,800
that is what is in there yeah and let me

2981
01:59:57,990 --> 01:59:56,400
let me just comment on that really quick

2982
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:58,000
and i use this in my my video

2983
02:00:00,310 --> 01:59:59,520
presentation

2984
02:00:01,750 --> 02:00:00,320
uh

2985
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:01,760
the because there's a specular

2986
02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,679
speculation on that could this be

2987
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:06,159
imagery of drones either foreign or

2988
02:00:10,229 --> 02:00:08,719
domestic of a classified level so i had

2989
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:10,239
discovered through a foia request a

2990
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:12,800
couple months ago that there was a uap

2991
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:15,199
encounter with the uss stout

2992
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:17,360
the snoopy team which is the onboard

2993
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:19,679
team that goes out to the deck and takes

2994
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:21,199
pictures that's right

2995
02:00:25,510 --> 02:00:23,920
the snoopy team took multiple pictures

2996
02:00:28,310 --> 02:00:25,520
what i got

2997
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:28,320
reviewed and released from the navy

2998
02:00:31,750 --> 02:00:30,800
was a what appeared to be a powerpoint

2999
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:31,760
slide

3000
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:34,480
where the uss stout was and three

3001
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:36,239
different photographs that the snoopy

3002
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:39,280
team took two of which were released one

3003
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,760
of which was redacted however in one of

3004
02:00:46,870 --> 02:00:44,080
the photos you can clearly see

3005
02:00:48,149 --> 02:00:46,880
it was a quadcopter drone there's no no

3006
02:00:50,229 --> 02:00:48,159
doubt about it

3007
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,239
but the drone was unidentified they

3008
02:00:54,310 --> 02:00:52,639
couldn't figure out who it was wasn't us

3009
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:54,320
they couldn't couldn't identify it and

3010
02:00:58,709 --> 02:00:57,040
it came up under a uap request my whole

3011
02:01:01,709 --> 02:00:58,719
point in showing this

3012
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:01,719
is that when it comes to clearly

3013
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:04,560
identifiable drone technology

3014
02:01:08,550 --> 02:01:06,639
they release the pictures

3015
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:08,560
so my question and i use this in my

3016
02:01:11,589 --> 02:01:09,520
appeal

3017
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:11,599
is if you guys will release snoopy

3018
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:15,040
photographs of what you label as uap

3019
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:17,280
and it's clearly drone technology that

3020
02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:19,280
you cannot identify

3021
02:01:22,470 --> 02:01:21,360
then what is underneath this and if it's

3022
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:22,480
more of that

3023
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then declassify it because here's my

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proof that i've already got you to do it

3025
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if it is something else then that makes

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it a little bit more interesting because

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obviously the skeptical argument with

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drones has definitely floated around

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even by myself i think that that's part

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of

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point with that section is if i can get

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you to release through the navy

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declassified images from the snoopy team

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there's no reason you should withhold

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similar imagery there let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black

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i'm your host jimmy church

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john greenwald is here we're breaking

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down the uap tf

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released last week we'll be right back

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3144
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welcome back fade to black i am your

3145
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john greenwald is with us uh last week

3146
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:23,760
he released

3147
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:26,719
he secured the release of the classified

3148
02:07:32,189 --> 02:07:29,520
portion of the uap task force report

3149
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:32,199
that was released in june 25th of

3150
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,760
2021

3151
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and the good news about all of this

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is i don't have to ask john to stay over

3153
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for the last segment

3154
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:42,860
he uh he already said yes so

3155
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:44,960
[Laughter]

3156
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,480
john i want to start i want to go

3157
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:49,360
straight to page five and i want to

3158
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,520
i think page five addresses exactly what

3159
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:54,880
we're talking about here when it comes

3160
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:57,280
to drones and the possibility of this

3161
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:59,040
because i don't

3162
02:08:01,430 --> 02:08:00,159
um

3163
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:01,440
there isn't

3164
02:08:06,470 --> 02:08:03,920
anywhere in this report where they take

3165
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:06,480
the easy road out and point at drones

3166
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:08,639
it's never mentioned once

3167
02:08:14,229 --> 02:08:11,599
and they do make a point in this report

3168
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:14,239
to emphasize that these sensors

3169
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:17,840
uh can differentiate what they need to

3170
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:18,960
see

3171
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:21,440
and if we go to the bottom half of page

3172
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:24,079
five there's that yellow section

3173
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:27,199
and uh i want to point out one thing and

3174
02:08:31,910 --> 02:08:28,880
then i want to get to the bottom half of

3175
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:31,920
this which says that uh

3176
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:33,679
the sensor vantage points and the

3177
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:35,679
numbers of sensors

3178
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:38,239
concurrently observing an object play

3179
02:08:44,149 --> 02:08:42,159
substantial roles in distinguishing uap

3180
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:44,159
from known objects and determining

3181
02:08:50,069 --> 02:08:47,360
whether uap demonstrates breakthrough

3182
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,079
aerospace capabilities

3183
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:52,079
i don't think

3184
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:55,599
uh a quadcopter is demonstrating

3185
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:58,159
breakthrough aerospace capabilities do

3186
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:59,040
you

3187
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,920
no

3188
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,400
i don't so we can we can we're in the

3189
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:04,560
safe zone there right

3190
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,400
i think so i mean unless they're talking

3191
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:08,880
about some kind of foreign adversary

3192
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,960
that has that technology that is far

3193
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,560
surpassed us and of course that's a

3194
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:14,719
possibility that they just couldn't peg

3195
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,440
it as one but to me no it doesn't scream

3196
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:19,360
that that's what they're talking about

3197
02:09:24,310 --> 02:09:22,079
now uh and then at the bottom of the

3198
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:24,320
page and this is where i want i want to

3199
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:26,400
get your overall take on this

3200
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,280
um

3201
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,760
the last section is redacted it starts

3202
02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:31,920
out the most common shape described by

3203
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:34,000
military personnel in their reporting

3204
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:35,440
was uh

3205
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:39,119
redacted see figure one right which we

3206
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:40,480
don't have

3207
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:43,199
military aviators describe many of these

3208
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:47,119
blanks objects as blanks or that blank

3209
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,159
right several sightings were blank and

3210
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:52,800
resembled blank shapes like

3211
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,440
figure one a four right

3212
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:56,880
one four a

3213
02:10:02,069 --> 02:09:59,679
or a one for a

3214
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,079
redacted so

3215
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:04,800
what's your take on this

3216
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:06,880
yeah this is the hard one for me so when

3217
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,639
you talk about on the same page the

3218
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:10,239
redactions above and they're talking

3219
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:12,400
about sensors mounted on us military

3220
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:14,400
platforms and so on

3221
02:10:18,390 --> 02:10:16,320
the redactions there makes sense because

3222
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:18,400
you're talking about the capabilities

3223
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:22,480
the citation that is cited is 1.4 g

3224
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:24,480
and just for those curious it translates

3225
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:27,360
to vulnerabilities or capabilities of

3226
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:30,000
systems installations infrastructures

3227
02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:32,400
project plans or protection services so

3228
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:34,480
essentially it's just safeguarding our

3229
02:10:38,629 --> 02:10:36,800
vulnerabilities and capabilities fast

3230
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:38,639
forward to what you just read about the

3231
02:10:43,830 --> 02:10:40,880
shapes that's what it doesn't make sense

3232
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:43,840
to me that they would do that 1.4 a

3233
02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:46,639
translates to military plans weapon

3234
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:48,480
systems or operations

3235
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:50,239
and i just don't see it why if they

3236
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:52,400
can't peg this as us

3237
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:55,119
and they clearly say that in the report

3238
02:11:01,189 --> 02:10:58,400
you can't redact descriptions based on

3239
02:11:05,109 --> 02:11:01,199
it being us of military plans or

3240
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:05,119
operations or our weapon systems so that

3241
02:11:11,669 --> 02:11:07,360
that one i'm fighting and

3242
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:11,679
i i find it incredibly intriguing that

3243
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,719
they don't want to tell us the

3244
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:14,480
characteristics

3245
02:11:18,149 --> 02:11:16,159
it does not surprise me that they want

3246
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:18,159
to withhold anything that has sensitive

3247
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:20,800
data or or

3248
02:11:25,109 --> 02:11:22,960
or references our vulnerabilities or

3249
02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:25,119
capabilities that doesn't surprise me at

3250
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:27,360
all i support those redactions as

3251
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:29,360
frustrating as they are but they need to

3252
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:32,880
be there but the shape of an object no i

3253
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:34,960
just i i can't see

3254
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:37,360
any justification for it whatsoever and

3255
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:39,040
then on top of that the citation is

3256
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,400
completely wrong

3257
02:11:46,229 --> 02:11:42,800
now uh moving

3258
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:46,239
i things really kick off on page six and

3259
02:11:50,069 --> 02:11:47,840
i have

3260
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:50,079
i've talked about page six now for a

3261
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:53,520
week uh page six is

3262
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,599
uh a science fiction

3263
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:57,199
uh

3264
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:00,960
um

3265
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:03,920
very very interesting here uh what's

3266
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,560
your take on page six well this

3267
02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:08,480
obviously shows that they've they've

3268
02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:10,560
broken down some of the key

3269
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:12,880
characteristics and events that they

3270
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:14,800
looked into which they did not in the

3271
02:12:18,470 --> 02:12:17,440
public report and broke that down for

3272
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:18,480
congress

3273
02:12:26,149 --> 02:12:23,599
these capabilities of uap are

3274
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:26,159
and they talk about the

3275
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:27,599
different incidents in the middle of the

3276
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:29,679
page you can see that the

3277
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:32,960
essentially the capability of the uap

3278
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:35,119
is redacted so i can see capabilities of

3279
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:37,360
u.s tech being redacted

3280
02:12:41,189 --> 02:12:38,719
but if they're talking about some

3281
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:41,199
unidentified something

3282
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:44,000
then what is classified about it going a

3283
02:12:49,350 --> 02:12:46,320
certain speed or at a certain altitude

3284
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:49,360
or whatever that may be does that reveal

3285
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:51,840
our vulnerability maybe it's kind of a

3286
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,320
gray area for me i'm i i can kind of see

3287
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:56,800
it either way but regardless for me this

3288
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:58,800
is why i love stuff like this because it

3289
02:13:02,709 --> 02:13:00,480
really does show

3290
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:02,719
the classified setting even though we

3291
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:04,079
don't get to see underneath all the

3292
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:06,320
black it shows in a classified setting

3293
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:08,239
what congress ultimately saw

3294
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,639
and and that's what's uh what's great

3295
02:13:14,470 --> 02:13:12,560
about this page because it shows that

3296
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:14,480
they are going into detail of the cases

3297
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:17,040
themselves where they they start out

3298
02:13:23,589 --> 02:13:20,480
with in 18 incidents described in 21

3299
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:23,599
reports observers reported unusual uap

3300
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:25,360
movement patterns or flight

3301
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:27,920
characteristics and or

3302
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:29,599
redacted

3303
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:30,800
i've

3304
02:13:36,629 --> 02:13:34,800
what is what is redacted there you know

3305
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,639
i i don't know and it should be noted

3306
02:13:40,709 --> 02:13:38,400
that flight characteristics there's a

3307
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:40,719
period there in the public report that's

3308
02:13:43,589 --> 02:13:42,000
where they end

3309
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:43,599
so that addition that you're talking

3310
02:13:48,790 --> 02:13:45,520
about is is clearly what they are

3311
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,800
telling congress more about uap

3312
02:13:53,430 --> 02:13:50,719
and then the next sentence saying a few

3313
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:53,440
of these reports describe uab uap

3314
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,880
behavior

3315
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:56,480
and then a line and a half of of

3316
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:57,599
redaction

3317
02:14:02,470 --> 02:13:59,840
so there's clearly characteristics and

3318
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:02,480
commonalities behind uap

3319
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:05,119
that they feel worthy of note

3320
02:14:10,830 --> 02:14:07,760
the reasoning for classification is the

3321
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:10,840
same thing military plans weapons or

3322
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:13,920
operations they also cite the

3323
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:15,840
vulnerabilities or capabilities of

3324
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:18,239
systems exemption in the same line

3325
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:20,320
so is this that gray area that i was

3326
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:22,480
just talking about yeah maybe

3327
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,400
but it's it's just frustrating that they

3328
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:27,119
won't give us some indicator on what

3329
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:28,480
they are seeing on something that's

3330
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:31,040
unidentified yeah and what what could be

3331
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:33,840
okay so what is beyond

3332
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:36,400
flight characteristics right what is the

3333
02:14:41,629 --> 02:14:40,320
ore there well let me help you out uap

3334
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:41,639
movement patterns or flight

3335
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,880
characteristics and or disappearing

3336
02:14:46,910 --> 02:14:45,840
right

3337
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:46,920
or d

3338
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:48,480
molecularizing

3339
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:52,079
or you know phasing out what would what

3340
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:54,880
what continues on with patterns and

3341
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:56,960
flight characteristics

3342
02:15:01,030 --> 02:14:58,400
i mean the only thing that i can really

3343
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:01,040
think of would be inside flight

3344
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:02,560
characteristics when you're talking

3345
02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:05,119
about either certain speeds certain

3346
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:07,920
shapes you know whatever that may be

3347
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:09,360
those are all characteristics of the

3348
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:10,560
flight so

3349
02:15:14,629 --> 02:15:12,400
what are they adding there i mean it's

3350
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:14,639
it's fun to speculate but i i personally

3351
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,679
just have no idea uh because in addition

3352
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:18,960
to flight characteristics they're also

3353
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,679
talking about movement patterns right so

3354
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:24,000
and disappearing right

3355
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:25,520
yeah i mean if everybody that's the

3356
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:26,960
thing if they're talking about cloaking

3357
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:29,360
technology or stealth technology sure i

3358
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,000
mean all those types of attributes could

3359
02:15:35,830 --> 02:15:34,000
could be in there it's just

3360
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:35,840
that's that's that's another interesting

3361
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:37,360
note that this isn't the only section

3362
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,239
that has these bizarre editions in the

3363
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:42,960
classified version that are redacted

3364
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:44,880
but you see these these um you know

3365
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,280
amended statements so to speak there's

3366
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:49,520
an appendage at the back of the sentence

3367
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:50,960
that wasn't there in the public report

3368
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:53,280
that just kind of doesn't make sense

3369
02:15:56,470 --> 02:15:54,320
so

3370
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:56,480
it may be a situation where if we ever

3371
02:16:00,310 --> 02:15:58,159
get to read it we go oh that was it well

3372
02:16:02,470 --> 02:16:00,320
that was easy and it's not as cool as we

3373
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:02,480
think or there's some pretty fascinating

3374
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,480
material in here now uh the next line uh

3375
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:07,760
it's is

3376
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:09,360
it's probably

3377
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:11,199
man i've said this way too many times

3378
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:13,199
this week but it's probably the most

3379
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,679
interesting line in the entire report

3380
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,880
which is

3381
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:18,639
uh some uap

3382
02:16:23,830 --> 02:16:20,960
to remain stationary in winslow move

3383
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:23,840
against the winds maneuver abruptly or

3384
02:16:29,669 --> 02:16:26,239
move at considerable speed

3385
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,679
without discernible means of propulsion

3386
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,240
that's a holy crap moment that that

3387
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:34,800
should have been redacted right i mean

3388
02:16:38,709 --> 02:16:36,559
that and yet and and what's odd about it

3389
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:38,719
is that was in the public report

3390
02:16:44,309 --> 02:16:41,599
and the uh the small number of cases

3391
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:44,319
military okay so this is where it goes

3392
02:16:49,750 --> 02:16:48,000
for me uh science fiction which i love

3393
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:49,760
because they start bringing up a

3394
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:52,240
processed radio frequency rf energy

3395
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:55,519
associated with uap sightings

3396
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:58,240
and i keep going back to this john

3397
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:01,519
they know something about rf signatures

3398
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:03,439
and uap

3399
02:17:08,230 --> 02:17:06,240
and i'm talking about encounters with et

3400
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:08,240
there's something off planet

3401
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:09,519
they are

3402
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:12,399
uh they have identifiers in the rf

3403
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:13,760
spectrum

3404
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:15,840
i would think so and what's interesting

3405
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:18,160
is they still can't identify what these

3406
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:19,359
craft are

3407
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:23,280
so out of the 144 cases that they have

3408
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:25,920
essentially analyzed for this report we

3409
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:29,280
know even from the public version 143

3410
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:31,120
remained unidentified they were only

3411
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:33,840
able to identify one and that was a

3412
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,880
balloon

3413
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:36,960
so whatever these rf

3414
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:40,319
signatures are the the energy associated

3415
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,760
with uap sightings that they're

3416
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,439
referenced

3417
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:45,760
even with that and the detection of it

3418
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:47,840
they still can't peg it to

3419
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:50,399
a certain piece of technology a certain

3420
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,599
country

3421
02:17:56,870 --> 02:17:54,319
our own meaning american

3422
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:56,880
they can't do it apparently so what is

3423
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,319
it that they're detecting and that's

3424
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:00,479
obviously a very intriguing

3425
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:02,800
line that even was echoed in the public

3426
02:18:07,030 --> 02:18:04,880
report which is kind of surprising like

3427
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:07,040
you said that should be redacted but

3428
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:08,000
wasn't

3429
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:10,240
so what is that indicating i mean it's

3430
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:11,840
it's it's indicating something that

3431
02:18:15,509 --> 02:18:14,000
they're not afraid to tell us but what

3432
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:15,519
is it when you add in that they're

3433
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:19,200
detecting that that type of energy

3434
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:22,160
but they can't identify a single one if

3435
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:23,920
they had one case that said while we

3436
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:25,519
detected this rf

3437
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,040
uh energy and we determined it was you

3438
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:31,439
know coming from whatever transmitter or

3439
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:33,599
something to that effect great then that

3440
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:35,040
opens up the possibility of an

3441
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:37,359
explanation for that detection but there

3442
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,399
is none

3443
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:41,120
so that remains a very intriguing part

3444
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,559
of both the public

3445
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:44,240
and the classified version and as you

3446
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:47,679
can see on page six it goes on where the

3447
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:49,760
public report ends with

3448
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:51,519
a processed radio frequency energy

3449
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:54,479
associated with uap sightings period the

3450
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:57,040
classified version goes in and says as

3451
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:58,800
and then a bunch of rejection although

3452
02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:00,080
there are

3453
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:02,639
a bunch of redaction we would a bunch of

3454
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:06,000
redaction recordings of radar displays

3455
02:19:09,589 --> 02:19:08,319
suggest these uap

3456
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:09,599
and then a couple more lines of

3457
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:11,599
redaction so i i want to stop right

3458
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,000
there because that is another intriguing

3459
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:16,080
line right there recordings of radar

3460
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:19,599
display suggest these uap

3461
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:22,319
now it's redacted but i would think that

3462
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:24,880
says uh recordings of the radar display

3463
02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:27,840
suggest these uap run circles around our

3464
02:19:33,910 --> 02:19:31,519
military tech and we can't do dick

3465
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:33,920
and that's that's very much what is

3466
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:35,760
likely underneath there and and i

3467
02:19:39,750 --> 02:19:37,599
immediately thought of i have no idea if

3468
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:39,760
there's a connection but i immediately

3469
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:42,960
thought of the jeremy corbell leaks

3470
02:19:48,469 --> 02:19:46,559
and the literal recordings of of some of

3471
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:48,479
these displays that were

3472
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:51,760
uh filmed with a cell phone in likely

3473
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,319
the cic of a ship or something

3474
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:55,920
i immediately went there and thought

3475
02:19:58,309 --> 02:19:56,800
okay

3476
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:58,319
is that the material that they were

3477
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:01,120
looking at that that culminated into

3478
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:03,760
this report that somehow leaked out

3479
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,200
because we know that the stuff that went

3480
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:08,000
to jeremy corbell was was legit

3481
02:20:12,630 --> 02:20:11,359
not unidentified uap uh labeling meaning

3482
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,640
that the government wouldn't say if they

3483
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:14,800
were unidentified or not but they did

3484
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:16,800
admit that the that material was

3485
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:19,200
utilized by the uap task force so is

3486
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:20,800
that what they're referring to here i

3487
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:23,200
don't know just speculation but

3488
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:26,240
recordings of radar displays note that

3489
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:28,319
they said recordings of radar displays

3490
02:20:31,750 --> 02:20:30,479
not radar data

3491
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,760
so

3492
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:34,160
is that is that the literal recording of

3493
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:36,800
the radar display that we saw in that

3494
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,240
leak that was acknowledged by the

3495
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,720
government i'm not sure but it's uh it's

3496
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:42,240
definitely the first thing that i

3497
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,200
thought of going there now uh the the

3498
02:20:50,309 --> 02:20:47,680
next two paragraphs are also heavily

3499
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:50,319
redacted but talk about

3500
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:51,680
speed

3501
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:52,640
and

3502
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:56,560
uh one pilot specifically uh

3503
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:59,359
and it's a quote by the way the pilot

3504
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:00,319
says

3505
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,920
he was fighting to keep his aircraft

3506
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,160
in the air space

3507
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,960
right and and it continues on uh talking

3508
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,200
about airspeed changing course changing

3509
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,040
direction

3510
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,000
what are we talking what do you think uh

3511
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:18,080
is being referenced here if you're

3512
02:21:22,469 --> 02:21:19,359
fighting

3513
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:22,479
to keep your aircraft in the air space

3514
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:24,960
but the object is not right

3515
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:27,040
right so right before that quote they

3516
02:21:30,630 --> 02:21:29,680
they set the scene of the airspace being

3517
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:30,640
the

3518
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:36,720
what i'm

3519
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,479
not really surprised at here is that

3520
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:40,560
redaction simply because

3521
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:43,600
if we know the the aircraft and we know

3522
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:46,000
the speed of the wind we now know a

3523
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:47,840
vulnerability of that aircraft to

3524
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,720
struggle to keep in that airspace so

3525
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:53,439
that's kind of a way to unpack that part

3526
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:55,840
a little bit that it is a vulnerability

3527
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,720
but the next part for me was key

3528
02:22:02,230 --> 02:22:00,080
after he was fighting to keep his

3529
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:02,240
aircraft in the airspace

3530
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:05,040
it was redacted was

3531
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,520
redacted and its position was unaffected

3532
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:08,640
by the

3533
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:09,920
redacted

3534
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:12,000
i i and this is a little bit of

3535
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:13,200
speculation because there's a lot of

3536
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:14,479
redaction there

3537
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:18,319
see that as that the uap was unaffected

3538
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:20,720
by the potentially the wind but why is

3539
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:23,200
that redacted um i know you're just

3540
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:25,840
broadcasting audio but for anybody who's

3541
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:27,680
following along on page six you look at

3542
02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:29,840
that redaction it's not big

3543
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:32,240
so you can fit wind in there and if it

3544
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:35,120
is wind then why would they redact it

3545
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,960
because they've already set the

3546
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:39,200
the environment as being essentially a

3547
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:40,399
high wind

3548
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,160
environment so why would they redact

3549
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,160
that there's not many words that'll fit

3550
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:46,640
in there so what i take away from this

3551
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:49,359
is the uap has better capability

3552
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:51,600
than whatever jet this was

3553
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,240
and now we're assuming let me jump in

3554
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:56,479
just interrupted you we're assuming it's

3555
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:57,520
a jet

3556
02:23:03,349 --> 02:23:01,359
and could i mean is an f-18

3557
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:03,359
let's just go with an f-18

3558
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:06,800
affected by a 100 mile an hour wind

3559
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:09,359
i wouldn't think so

3560
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:10,479
so

3561
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:13,680
would this may be a helicopter maybe

3562
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:17,040
it's not a jet and a helicopter would be

3563
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:19,040
affected by wind speed

3564
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:21,280
yeah they note a helicopter incident i

3565
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:23,120
believe we'll get to that yeah we'll get

3566
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:26,080
to that yeah but uh but this one for for

3567
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:28,240
whatever reason if it is a helicopter

3568
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:30,560
they redacted it uh so

3569
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:32,240
for me those types of things stick out

3570
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:34,080
as not being common i mean why would you

3571
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:36,000
say it's a helicopter in one

3572
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:37,920
case but then redact it was a helicopter

3573
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:41,760
and another right i'm not sure uh my gut

3574
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:44,160
said that this was a a jet but it's just

3575
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:45,680
that a gut feeling i mean there's just

3576
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:46,960
nothing

3577
02:23:55,349 --> 02:23:52,000
winds are affecting it i'm not a f-18 or

3578
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,359
or a naval uh aviation expert to tell

3579
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:57,359
you what winds greater than whatever

3580
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:00,160
speed would be problematic but you don't

3581
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:01,840
need to be that kind of an expert to

3582
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,000
really see here that there was something

3583
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,560
that was just unaffected by it so

3584
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:09,040
juxtaposing that with the navy pilot and

3585
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:11,120
whatever he was flying

3586
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:13,760
showed that it was essentially

3587
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,240
outperforming in in my opinion that was

3588
02:24:19,910 --> 02:24:18,720
my my takeaway from from that particular

3589
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:19,920
incident that

3590
02:24:23,590 --> 02:24:22,080
whatever this was was outperforming the

3591
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,600
the naval piece of equipment he was

3592
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:25,439
flying yeah there's no question about

3593
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:27,600
that and again this reads like science

3594
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:30,479
fiction because although the rest of

3595
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:33,520
1.4 a and and down

3596
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:36,800
uh or and above is heavily redacted but

3597
02:24:42,230 --> 02:24:39,920
you know a uap exhibited react redacted

3598
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:42,240
according to redacted uaptf has

3599
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:44,399
additional reports indicating redacted

3600
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:47,600
that appear to be redacted but this this

3601
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:49,920
last paragraph says it all

3602
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:52,080
the uap task force holds a small amount

3603
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:53,840
of data that appear to show uap

3604
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:56,560
demonstrating acceleration or degree of

3605
02:25:02,790 --> 02:24:59,680
signature management redacted however

3606
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:02,800
redacted additional rigorous analysis is

3607
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,120
necessary by multiple teams or groups of

3608
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:07,680
technical experts to determine the

3609
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:11,040
nature and validity of these data we are

3610
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:14,000
conducting further analysis to determine

3611
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:16,960
if breakthrough technologies were

3612
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:22,070
yeah what kind of analysis is one i want

3613
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:24,080
to know i mean how could they not have

3614
02:25:28,469 --> 02:25:26,160
figured that out already in the elapsed

3615
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:28,479
time that they have had these cases i

3616
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:30,160
don't have an answer for that

3617
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:31,760
but why would they and that was in the

3618
02:25:35,830 --> 02:25:34,080
public report that that last part about

3619
02:25:37,349 --> 02:25:35,840
the further analysis was in the in the

3620
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:37,359
public report

3621
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:39,200
but essentially how long do you need to

3622
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:40,640
figure out if this is breakthrough

3623
02:25:45,510 --> 02:25:42,720
technology that we just don't have

3624
02:25:47,510 --> 02:25:45,520
either in the u.s arsenal or on the

3625
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:47,520
planet you know i mean it shouldn't take

3626
02:25:52,150 --> 02:25:50,080
that long you have air speeds you have

3627
02:25:54,230 --> 02:25:52,160
capabilities you have shapes you have

3628
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:54,240
pretty much everything you would need

3629
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:56,800
to to essentially start to identify it

3630
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:59,280
even broad stroke you know with broad

3631
02:26:03,349 --> 02:26:00,640
strokes

3632
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:03,359
and yet they just don't do that here

3633
02:26:08,389 --> 02:26:05,920
and these these additional incidents

3634
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,399
reinforce that if they have all of that

3635
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:10,399
data at their disposal

3636
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,040
and some of these are likely a few years

3637
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:15,600
old incident wise and after all this

3638
02:26:19,750 --> 02:26:17,600
time they're still analyzing if it's a

3639
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:19,760
breakthrough technology or something

3640
02:26:22,469 --> 02:26:20,960
like that

3641
02:26:24,389 --> 02:26:22,479
that's worrisome because i think if they

3642
02:26:25,750 --> 02:26:24,399
just plopped all that data on twitter in

3643
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,760
like an hour

3644
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:27,200
you know you've got a lot of people that

3645
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:29,120
would likely solve it on whether or not

3646
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:31,040
it's breakthrough technology or

3647
02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:32,880
something mundane and something

3648
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:35,040
explainable uh so it's a little

3649
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:36,880
worrisome when i get to stuff like that

3650
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:38,720
that that they've had this stuff for for

3651
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:41,359
that long and they have all this data

3652
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:43,840
and they call what that data is coming

3653
02:26:49,590 --> 02:26:47,040
from reliable systems and they're also

3654
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,600
saying that there are multiple reliable

3655
02:26:54,469 --> 02:26:51,680
systems collecting this data and with

3656
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:54,479
all of that they still have no idea you

3657
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:57,120
know not even on an identification but

3658
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:59,520
some kind of analysis to answer that

3659
02:27:03,349 --> 02:27:01,439
question about breakthrough technology

3660
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:03,359
well and they stress at the beginning of

3661
02:27:08,070 --> 02:27:06,479
the report that our sensors and systems

3662
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:08,080
are the best in the world and we can

3663
02:27:10,150 --> 02:27:09,359
figure out

3664
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:10,160
uh

3665
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:12,399
what is in the skies

3666
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:15,200
and this report is about our sensor data

3667
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:18,240
not being able to identify these craft

3668
02:27:24,630 --> 02:27:22,000
that is what this report is about right

3669
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:24,640
i would think so that's my takeaway so

3670
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:26,399
then the ques the question mark for me

3671
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:28,160
and this is a much bigger discussion i

3672
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:30,000
don't know if you want to have it but

3673
02:27:35,030 --> 02:27:32,880
the bigger the bigger question then

3674
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:35,040
is how much access did the task force

3675
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:38,399
have to truly answer whether or not this

3676
02:27:44,790 --> 02:27:41,520
was our own classified tech breakthrough

3677
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:44,800
technology or so on so if if they were

3678
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,600
with being withheld information and only

3679
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,760
given limited data right then their

3680
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:51,920
conclusion is going to be skewed to the

3681
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:52,880
wrong

3682
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:54,160
and they're going to be skewing it to

3683
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:55,920
the wrong because they don't have the

3684
02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:58,960
appropriate access to really confirm if

3685
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:01,680
anything was classified tech or a drone

3686
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,399
or anything like that so even though

3687
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:06,720
it's fascinating to read

3688
02:28:12,070 --> 02:28:09,359
we also because we don't know the answer

3689
02:28:13,910 --> 02:28:12,080
to this also have to examine how much

3690
02:28:15,670 --> 02:28:13,920
access did the task force when they

3691
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:15,680
created this

3692
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:17,120
really have

3693
02:28:21,110 --> 02:28:19,600
and in my opinion they likely did not

3694
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:21,120
have

3695
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:23,200
carte blanche access to just go into

3696
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:25,359
anything and everything they wanted free

3697
02:28:30,309 --> 02:28:27,840
reign look at everything special access

3698
02:28:32,630 --> 02:28:30,319
program top secret and below i just

3699
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:32,640
don't see it so then the question mark

3700
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:33,680
is

3701
02:28:39,429 --> 02:28:36,560
are those accurate

3702
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:39,439
conclusions and i'm and i'm not sure i i

3703
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:40,960
can only go by the data that's in front

3704
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:43,040
of me and it's heavily redacted so we

3705
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:44,479
have to we have to deal with that but

3706
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:46,640
then also kind of speculate a little bit

3707
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:49,600
and ask those important questions did uh

3708
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:52,000
uh the the mention of the helicopter

3709
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:54,560
incident which surprised me by the way

3710
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:57,040
did did that surprise you too as well

3711
02:29:02,469 --> 02:28:59,280
and the way that it was reported because

3712
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:02,479
you had uh two wsos you know weapon

3713
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:04,640
system operators uh

3714
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:08,720
uh officers that were um uh also

3715
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:11,280
involved in this report because you've

3716
02:29:15,670 --> 02:29:13,520
got three you've got three sources now

3717
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:15,680
on on this report not just one not just

3718
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:17,280
the pilot

3719
02:29:20,710 --> 02:29:19,040
yeah it was surprising for a couple

3720
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:20,720
different reasons uh the helicopter

3721
02:29:24,870 --> 02:29:22,800
pilot reference was new to me generally

3722
02:29:26,790 --> 02:29:24,880
we do hear about the jets uh so the

3723
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:26,800
helicopter pilot did not uh the

3724
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:29,040
helicopter case i should say did not

3725
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:32,160
ring a bell to me add in the two wizzos

3726
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,520
that were also

3727
02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:35,439
uh witnesses to whatever was being

3728
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:39,280
observed but also the the line which

3729
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:41,760
i kind of take that there were five

3730
02:29:46,469 --> 02:29:44,080
objects there's a redacted word or words

3731
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:46,479
in between five and objects but it looks

3732
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:49,120
to me that there was a potentially small

3733
02:29:53,670 --> 02:29:52,080
fleet of uap uh that numbered to about

3734
02:29:55,429 --> 02:29:53,680
five that were being witnessed in this

3735
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:55,439
case now i could be wrong because

3736
02:29:58,870 --> 02:29:56,720
clearly we don't see what's in the

3737
02:30:00,870 --> 02:29:58,880
middle of the five and objects

3738
02:30:01,990 --> 02:30:00,880
uh but regardless i mean that's kind of

3739
02:30:04,469 --> 02:30:02,000
what i

3740
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:04,479
am seeing here that this was a encounter

3741
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:06,319
with numerous witnesses

3742
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:09,200
of of at least five objects which i

3743
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:10,720
believe is

3744
02:30:14,469 --> 02:30:12,560
is pretty substantial in my in my

3745
02:30:16,550 --> 02:30:14,479
opinion all of that by the way for those

3746
02:30:19,110 --> 02:30:16,560
who don't realize it was not in the

3747
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,120
public report so

3748
02:30:23,830 --> 02:30:21,439
those types of details

3749
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:23,840
you could have said in summary

3750
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:25,600
not the redacted parts but you likely

3751
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:27,840
could have made some summary here but

3752
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:28,800
there's a reason that they're

3753
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,399
withholding all of that for the from the

3754
02:30:35,349 --> 02:30:33,040
public and that's what intrigues me now

3755
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:35,359
um we're going to head to a break but uh

3756
02:30:39,590 --> 02:30:38,160
quick question in in 30 seconds we know

3757
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:39,600
that we're going to see more reports

3758
02:30:43,830 --> 02:30:42,560
coming out in 2022 do you expect more of

3759
02:30:45,510 --> 02:30:43,840
the same

3760
02:30:47,910 --> 02:30:45,520
or do you think that we

3761
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:47,920
that they are getting their feet under

3762
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:48,880
them

3763
02:30:54,309 --> 02:30:52,319
and now we'll approach these reports a

3764
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,319
little bit differently

3765
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:56,640
the next one should it surface we'll

3766
02:31:02,150 --> 02:30:57,680
we'll

3767
02:31:04,389 --> 02:31:02,160
from there on out because the uaptf at

3768
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:04,399
this point is essentially disbanded and

3769
02:31:09,349 --> 02:31:05,920
now we've morphed into what's called the

3770
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:09,359
aoi msg it may be absolutely more of the

3771
02:31:14,790 --> 02:31:12,720
same or they may say okay look uaptf

3772
02:31:17,670 --> 02:31:14,800
didn't have the access you guys now have

3773
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,680
the access so let's get us some answers

3774
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:19,520
but i think it's going to be

3775
02:31:23,910 --> 02:31:21,520
something we can't answer until the next

3776
02:31:25,830 --> 02:31:23,920
public something comes out whether it be

3777
02:31:28,309 --> 02:31:25,840
a declassified partial release of

3778
02:31:30,070 --> 02:31:28,319
something like this or an actual public

3779
02:31:31,590 --> 02:31:30,080
report let's take our break right here

3780
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:31,600
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3781
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:33,920
chairs john greenwald of the black vault

3782
02:31:40,070 --> 02:31:37,359
is with us we're breaking down the uap

3783
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:40,080
task force classified version heavily

3784
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:42,640
redacted that he got released last week

3785
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:44,160
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

3786
02:31:50,330 --> 02:31:45,439
church we'll be right back after this

3787
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3792
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3888
02:37:21,510 --> 02:37:19,190
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3889
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:21,520
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3890
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:24,319
over time with john greenwald great

3891
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,720
conversations earlier with alan b smith

3892
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:28,880
and jeff kingsbury

3893
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:31,600
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3894
02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:33,840
the black vault and we're going over the

3895
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:36,080
uap task force classified version of the

3896
02:37:41,429 --> 02:37:38,080
report heavily redacted

3897
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:41,439
that uh john got released and uh he

3898
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:43,120
posted everything up over the black

3899
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:44,640
vault last week

3900
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:48,560
and john uh moving on to page eight

3901
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:52,479
uh uh two things i want to focus on here

3902
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:53,359
where

3903
02:38:00,309 --> 02:37:54,160
uh

3904
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:00,319
seven uap probably lack a single

3905
02:38:06,230 --> 02:38:03,760
explanation and and again this was uh in

3906
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:06,240
the the public version of the report i

3907
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:07,920
don't want to get into airborne clutter

3908
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:11,120
but if we go to the top of page eight

3909
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,560
there's two things that page eight i

3910
02:38:16,630 --> 02:38:14,720
want to discuss one

3911
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:16,640
is the top line

3912
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:19,439
we have examples of pilots who stated

3913
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:21,439
that they

3914
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:29,590
what what gives why why what what could

3915
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:32,000
possibly be there that that had to be

3916
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:37,590
letter section so i'm not really sure

3917
02:38:41,030 --> 02:38:39,439
and even prior to that it should be

3918
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:41,040
noted that there were quite a few

3919
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:42,800
different lines most of which were

3920
02:38:48,950 --> 02:38:46,160
redacted on airborne clutter

3921
02:38:51,190 --> 02:38:48,960
that were added in or excuse me that

3922
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:51,200
were taken out for the public report but

3923
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:52,960
we can clearly see there was much more

3924
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:55,680
information under airborne clutter which

3925
02:38:58,950 --> 02:38:57,760
translates to birds balloons

3926
02:39:03,110 --> 02:38:58,960
trash

3927
02:39:05,349 --> 02:39:03,120
so what's there that they couldn't tell

3928
02:39:07,670 --> 02:39:05,359
us about and i

3929
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:07,680
your guess is as good as mine g is again

3930
02:39:12,070 --> 02:39:10,319
those vulnerabilities so you know as a

3931
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:12,080
trash bag gonna give us a run for our

3932
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:14,560
money i mean i don't i really don't get

3933
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:16,319
it so

3934
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:18,800
those redactions and and and those uh

3935
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:20,640
excisions from the public report didn't

3936
02:39:26,309 --> 02:39:22,800
make sense to me now the the one

3937
02:39:29,110 --> 02:39:26,319
paragraph that is unmolested

3938
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:29,120
is is right here no redactions the

3939
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:31,200
united states government or industry

3940
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:33,920
developmental programs

3941
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:35,920
some uap observations could be

3942
02:39:41,910 --> 02:39:39,600
attributable to classified usg aerospace

3943
02:39:44,230 --> 02:39:41,920
programs or systems under development by

3944
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:44,240
commercial aerospace firms

3945
02:39:48,469 --> 02:39:47,200
we were unable to confirm i want to

3946
02:39:51,030 --> 02:39:48,479
repeat this

3947
02:39:54,230 --> 02:39:51,040
we were unable to confirm however that

3948
02:39:56,710 --> 02:39:54,240
these systems accounted for any

3949
02:39:59,429 --> 02:39:56,720
of the uap reports

3950
02:40:01,910 --> 02:39:59,439
we collected very important paragraph

3951
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:01,920
and unredacted

3952
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:04,000
right and and this is the source of a

3953
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,399
lot of uh we'll call it controversy but

3954
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:08,399
more so just heated debate and

3955
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:10,399
controversy here where does this

3956
02:40:14,469 --> 02:40:13,439
definitively just rule out classified

3957
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,479
tech

3958
02:40:18,309 --> 02:40:16,319
and and i get a lot of heat because i

3959
02:40:20,870 --> 02:40:18,319
pose that possibility

3960
02:40:23,190 --> 02:40:20,880
for some of these cases and what we've

3961
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:23,200
been dealing with and hearing about in

3962
02:40:28,710 --> 02:40:26,240
the media namely the 2004 nimitz uh

3963
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,720
encounter and j.j abrams did a

3964
02:40:32,469 --> 02:40:30,319
documentary for showtime which i

3965
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:32,479
appeared on and they specifically asked

3966
02:40:37,910 --> 02:40:35,120
me about that in relation to the 2004

3967
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:37,920
event and i still echo the same thing i

3968
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:40,560
said there where it is a possibility we

3969
02:40:45,269 --> 02:40:42,960
are dealing with classified tech so some

3970
02:40:47,830 --> 02:40:45,279
people have thrown at me

3971
02:40:49,670 --> 02:40:47,840
my my biggest fans

3972
02:40:51,269 --> 02:40:49,680
thrown at me how could you say that on

3973
02:40:52,309 --> 02:40:51,279
showtime yet here's the government

3974
02:40:54,469 --> 02:40:52,319
saying

3975
02:40:56,389 --> 02:40:54,479
that that they can't peg a single one as

3976
02:40:57,750 --> 02:40:56,399
classified tech and i've already brought

3977
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:57,760
it up but i'll just repeat it very

3978
02:41:04,309 --> 02:41:00,080
quickly that we don't know the type of

3979
02:41:06,790 --> 02:41:04,319
of access that the uap task force had so

3980
02:41:08,710 --> 02:41:06,800
if we are not convinced that the uap

3981
02:41:11,110 --> 02:41:08,720
task force had all the access how do we

3982
02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:11,120
know that their conclusions were

3983
02:41:15,269 --> 02:41:12,960
were solid the other thing that i point

3984
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:15,279
out too with those uh those haters of

3985
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:18,560
mine is that they will tell you

3986
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:20,960
that i am wrong because the government

3987
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:23,120
says hey look right here in the in the

3988
02:41:27,269 --> 02:41:25,680
report nothing is classified tech

3989
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:27,279
but in the same breath they'll tell you

3990
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,720
when they hear something they don't like

3991
02:41:32,469 --> 02:41:30,800
the government lies all the time and

3992
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:32,479
they don't know and they they don't want

3993
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:34,720
to tell us the truth so you can't say

3994
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:36,720
both of those things firing at me at the

3995
02:41:39,190 --> 02:41:38,080
same time

3996
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:39,200
where if you don't believe the

3997
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:40,720
government then how can you believe this

3998
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:43,200
report well it's cognitive dissonance in

3999
02:41:48,309 --> 02:41:45,359
play yeah

4000
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:48,319
for me how i approach it is is you have

4001
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:49,840
to deal with the evidence in front of

4002
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:52,080
you and this report gives us

4003
02:41:57,110 --> 02:41:55,200
a piece of that evidence i just know for

4004
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:57,120
a fact it's not everything it's not the

4005
02:42:02,630 --> 02:41:59,920
totality of the evidence so we are left

4006
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:02,640
to kind of think okay is the government

4007
02:42:06,309 --> 02:42:04,000
accurate here

4008
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:06,319
did they have that unfettered access to

4009
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:08,800
all of the special access programs

4010
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:11,439
technology and development so on and so

4011
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:13,520
forth i think it was christopher mellon

4012
02:42:16,550 --> 02:42:14,640
himself

4013
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:16,560
in addition to some other key names in

4014
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:18,640
this debate that said that the task

4015
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:20,640
force was having information withheld

4016
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:23,840
from them so if that's true then we can

4017
02:42:26,950 --> 02:42:24,800
we can

4018
02:42:29,030 --> 02:42:26,960
very safely say that we don't know if

4019
02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:29,040
their conclusions were solid but there's

4020
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:31,520
enough here i think that supports

4021
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:33,439
there is an aspect to this phenomena

4022
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:36,240
that truly is unidentified that truly is

4023
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:37,840
a potential threat i know people hate

4024
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:41,200
that t word but it just it just is it

4025
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:43,760
it's it's showing our vulnerabilities

4026
02:42:48,309 --> 02:42:46,399
it's exposing our vulnerabilities and

4027
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:48,319
essentially outperforming some of our

4028
02:42:53,349 --> 02:42:50,960
best tech that's up there so that is a

4029
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:53,359
by definition potential threat so there

4030
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:55,200
is a lot you can glean from this report

4031
02:42:59,910 --> 02:42:57,120
despite the redactions yeah that's right

4032
02:43:03,110 --> 02:42:59,920
that's right now specifically i

4033
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:03,120
addressed this issue right at kevin day

4034
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:05,760
when i said is it is it possible right

4035
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:08,399
that lockheed you know northrop grumman

4036
02:43:14,230 --> 02:43:12,000
somebody uh is out there testing

4037
02:43:15,429 --> 02:43:14,240
uh some future tech

4038
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:15,439
and

4039
02:43:21,429 --> 02:43:19,040
uh either unwittingly used it uh when

4040
02:43:23,429 --> 02:43:21,439
your battle group was out there or you

4041
02:43:25,190 --> 02:43:23,439
guys stumbled on

4042
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:25,200
to something that was being tested and

4043
02:43:29,990 --> 02:43:26,960
that was an accident

4044
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:30,000
and and he said in both cases he said no

4045
02:43:34,630 --> 02:43:32,240
absolutely not they would never test him

4046
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:34,640
they would let us know

4047
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:36,560
that they were doing that and you're

4048
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:39,520
putting pilots in harm's way and

4049
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,319
and there could be a really really bad

4050
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:44,800
incident uh that could come out of this

4051
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:47,680
so no they would let us know uh ahead of

4052
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:50,080
time yeah do you agree with that

4053
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:52,880
assessment i don't and and but i will

4054
02:43:58,950 --> 02:43:56,319
say this to counter my own argument here

4055
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:58,960
just just to be as fair as i can i even

4056
02:44:03,910 --> 02:44:01,520
gave the pentagon the out to give me

4057
02:44:06,150 --> 02:44:03,920
that uh i wasn't giving them ideas but

4058
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:06,160
rather i posed that question to them

4059
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:09,279
right saying would you test let's say

4060
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,600
air force technology

4061
02:44:15,349 --> 02:44:13,200
against the u.s navy without their

4062
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:15,359
knowledge they said no

4063
02:44:20,469 --> 02:44:17,680
however i believe history supports that

4064
02:44:22,550 --> 02:44:20,479
they would and i and i cite even going

4065
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:22,560
back to the 1950s

4066
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,880
a document that was declassified and it

4067
02:44:30,870 --> 02:44:27,920
actually ties to area 51. and in short

4068
02:44:34,550 --> 02:44:30,880
they did satellites by satellite flybys

4069
02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:34,560
of our area 51 snapped pictures

4070
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:37,520
took that data and gave it to the top

4071
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:40,240
cia analyst never telling them it was

4072
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:43,200
area 51 but said we want you to analyze

4073
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:44,960
this what can you tell us

4074
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:47,200
you know what what kind of buildings are

4075
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:48,640
there what kind of development if any

4076
02:44:53,030 --> 02:44:51,359
what kind of craft what can you deduce

4077
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:53,040
now obviously that's a far cry

4078
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:55,040
difference from a

4079
02:44:59,910 --> 02:44:57,359
real world exercise with

4080
02:45:02,389 --> 02:44:59,920
military equipment flying in the sky but

4081
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:02,399
regardless the concept is exactly the

4082
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:04,640
same and just because the government

4083
02:45:09,590 --> 02:45:07,040
says they wouldn't do something i

4084
02:45:13,190 --> 02:45:09,600
believe history strongly supports that

4085
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:13,200
doesn't mean a thing so in in the world

4086
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:15,600
of military intelligence military

4087
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:19,120
technology and the classified world

4088
02:45:23,590 --> 02:45:20,960
i do not believe and i like kevin i'm

4089
02:45:25,910 --> 02:45:23,600
not trying to to argue with him on this

4090
02:45:27,910 --> 02:45:25,920
but not everybody is going to be read in

4091
02:45:29,349 --> 02:45:27,920
and you have testimony i believe it was

4092
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:29,359
pj hughes

4093
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:31,359
that said that after

4094
02:45:37,590 --> 02:45:35,600
uh the incident in 2004 he testified and

4095
02:45:39,429 --> 02:45:37,600
has put out there that air force

4096
02:45:40,309 --> 02:45:39,439
personnel came in and took his data

4097
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:40,319
bricks

4098
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:43,200
so when you when you have witnesses that

4099
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:44,319
say that

4100
02:45:48,070 --> 02:45:46,240
why was the air force there on a naval

4101
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:48,080
ship why were they there so quickly why

4102
02:45:51,990 --> 02:45:49,920
did they take the bricks that doesn't

4103
02:45:54,230 --> 02:45:52,000
support that it's just automatically air

4104
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:54,240
force tech at this point but nobody's

4105
02:45:58,389 --> 02:45:56,479
asking that question because the ndas

4106
02:46:00,550 --> 02:45:58,399
and the security clearances are already

4107
02:46:02,630 --> 02:46:00,560
in place for naval personnel they're not

4108
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:02,640
supposed to just record something out

4109
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:04,399
there and go wow this looks cool let me

4110
02:46:09,190 --> 02:46:06,399
tweet about it and then put the the data

4111
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:09,200
out there so that's ultimately in place

4112
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:11,040
so why did they feel the need to come in

4113
02:46:15,830 --> 02:46:13,359
and take that data

4114
02:46:18,309 --> 02:46:15,840
from the ship so given all that was true

4115
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:18,319
why are they doing that and and and so

4116
02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:19,920
when you deal with theories like this

4117
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:21,439
you look at that supporting evidence

4118
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:23,200
it's circumstantial because we weren't

4119
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,040
there we don't have photos of the air

4120
02:46:29,429 --> 02:46:27,439
force officers coming in and and taking

4121
02:46:31,990 --> 02:46:29,439
it but regardless we have to deal with

4122
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:32,000
that we have to to to give that question

4123
02:46:35,110 --> 02:46:34,080
or to to ask that question to give these

4124
02:46:37,510 --> 02:46:35,120
possible

4125
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:37,520
answers to what is going on and if we

4126
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:38,720
challenge

4127
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:41,680
the the the narrative and it comes out

4128
02:46:45,269 --> 02:46:43,200
at the end that there's no way it was

4129
02:46:47,590 --> 02:46:45,279
classified tech then great it further

4130
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:47,600
reinforces the reality that this was

4131
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:48,560
something

4132
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:50,319
potentially even paranormal you know

4133
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:53,520
that this was not classified tech but we

4134
02:46:57,030 --> 02:46:55,040
need to ask those questions and it

4135
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:57,040
shouldn't be offensive to anybody

4136
02:47:01,349 --> 02:46:59,600
but uh sadly i think some people that

4137
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:01,359
that do hear theories like that they

4138
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:03,439
just short circuit and say no you know

4139
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,520
john's being a meanie again and come

4140
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:07,680
after me with guns blazing but we

4141
02:47:12,230 --> 02:47:09,680
shouldn't do that i think we need to to

4142
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:12,240
really evaluate these incidents

4143
02:47:16,469 --> 02:47:14,479
case by case and hone in on every single

4144
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:16,479
detail to get some answers do you think

4145
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,160
that there is a possibility

4146
02:47:25,910 --> 02:47:22,319
that we have

4147
02:47:27,429 --> 02:47:25,920
uh issues with our our sensors and radar

4148
02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:27,439
systems and they're not

4149
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,640
as bulletproof as as we think

4150
02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:33,520
and something more mundane is going on

4151
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:36,000
here that is coming back

4152
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:38,800
as something fantastical but it may not

4153
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:40,240
be

4154
02:47:44,309 --> 02:47:42,160
i i think so i think that's definitely

4155
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:44,319
part of the conversation as well i think

4156
02:47:48,630 --> 02:47:46,560
that it's clear from this report by the

4157
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:48,640
amount of redactions and are likely

4158
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:50,399
legitimate redactions

4159
02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:51,680
uh potentially exposing our

4160
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:54,399
vulnerabilities where uap were allowed

4161
02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:55,120
to

4162
02:48:00,230 --> 02:47:57,760
essentially evade maybe our our

4163
02:48:02,389 --> 02:48:00,240
detection systems or outperform our

4164
02:48:03,990 --> 02:48:02,399
aircraft or whatever it may be

4165
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:04,000
those are vulnerabilities that need to

4166
02:48:08,070 --> 02:48:05,600
be dealt with so it doesn't matter the

4167
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:08,080
route of what these uap are

4168
02:48:13,670 --> 02:48:11,359
it's exposing a a vulnerability to what

4169
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:13,680
should be the most powerful military on

4170
02:48:18,070 --> 02:48:16,479
the planet so they they evaluate that

4171
02:48:19,269 --> 02:48:18,080
they look at it and go okay how can we

4172
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:19,279
fix this

4173
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:20,880
so

4174
02:48:26,309 --> 02:48:23,600
alien

4175
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:26,319
force among us or a foreign adversary or

4176
02:48:30,389 --> 02:48:28,399
even our own technology

4177
02:48:32,309 --> 02:48:30,399
trying to expose our vulnerabilities

4178
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:32,319
behind the scenes i don't know the

4179
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:34,880
answer to that but regardless we know

4180
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:37,040
now by this classified report being

4181
02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:39,760
partially released that is definitely a

4182
02:48:44,309 --> 02:48:42,080
big part of this conversation and it's

4183
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:44,319
the vulnerabilities and the lack of

4184
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:46,960
ability to detect uap they have a whole

4185
02:48:51,750 --> 02:48:50,000
section on that so so there's there's a

4186
02:48:54,550 --> 02:48:51,760
lot to this and a lot of different

4187
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:54,560
facets that encompass the conversation

4188
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:57,600
now uh skipping over the other ben which

4189
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:01,120
has been discussed and theorized uh over

4190
02:49:07,830 --> 02:49:03,680
and over again by you and and myself

4191
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:07,840
included but jumping uh to page 12

4192
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:10,720
um what

4193
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:15,910
what do you think oh okay

4194
02:49:19,110 --> 02:49:17,920
the big block

4195
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:19,120
okay

4196
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:20,880
let me ask you this

4197
02:49:24,830 --> 02:49:23,920
we have discussed uh

4198
02:49:28,710 --> 02:49:24,840
uh

4199
02:49:31,349 --> 02:49:28,720
endlessly about the possibility of

4200
02:49:33,269 --> 02:49:31,359
videos and things being presented to the

4201
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:33,279
senate intelligence committee

4202
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:36,399
and that there must be

4203
02:49:41,670 --> 02:49:38,560
stuff like this in the report

4204
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:41,680
we get to this which is table two uap

4205
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:44,960
detected by right blank unidentified

4206
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:47,279
aerial phenomenon as the title in over

4207
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:50,960
half of the 144 reports usc observers

4208
02:49:55,910 --> 02:49:52,960
right redacted unidentified every

4209
02:49:59,110 --> 02:49:55,920
phenomenon at uap redacted and then we

4210
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:59,120
have this blocked out section what do

4211
02:50:03,590 --> 02:50:01,840
you think was under there

4212
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:03,600
so obviously pure speculation but i

4213
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:05,120
think at the top when you're talking

4214
02:50:10,309 --> 02:50:08,399
about us government uap reports buy i

4215
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:10,319
think it's it's the i think they're

4216
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:11,920
categorizing them

4217
02:50:15,670 --> 02:50:13,600
and it's just a guess but i would

4218
02:50:17,110 --> 02:50:15,680
imagine that those four categories may

4219
02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:17,120
include pilots

4220
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:19,359
may include sensor systems may even go

4221
02:50:24,070 --> 02:50:21,920
into bigger detail

4222
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:24,080
than that you know maybe specifically

4223
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:25,680
naming a system

4224
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:27,600
i was surprised there were only four if

4225
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:29,359
i am on the right track on that but i

4226
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:30,960
think that that again that's what you're

4227
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:32,240
looking at

4228
02:50:36,870 --> 02:50:34,160
on the color version as long as you're

4229
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:36,880
looking at the pdf you can see the table

4230
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:39,279
has the blue for the header and then the

4231
02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:41,920
white for the data so i think the us uap

4232
02:50:45,030 --> 02:50:43,760
observations buy and then it's something

4233
02:50:47,510 --> 02:50:45,040
blacked out

4234
02:50:49,510 --> 02:50:47,520
then there's four different columns and

4235
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:49,520
i believe those those four different

4236
02:50:54,309 --> 02:50:51,840
columns with the blue first row are

4237
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:54,319
going to be those categories the second

4238
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:57,040
white row is going to be the number that

4239
02:51:01,790 --> 02:50:59,439
will total 144.

4240
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:01,800
that's also indicative from the

4241
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:05,279
144 total in a parenthetical at the top

4242
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:07,920
right uh the red text table is and then

4243
02:51:11,429 --> 02:51:09,920
it's redacted that is likely the

4244
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:11,439
classification

4245
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:13,200
of what we are looking at

4246
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:15,600
and why they differentiate the table

4247
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:17,520
versus something else i don't know

4248
02:51:22,070 --> 02:51:20,319
because the top and bottom redactions

4249
02:51:24,309 --> 02:51:22,080
are the the classification of the

4250
02:51:26,469 --> 02:51:24,319
document they won't even tell you if

4251
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:26,479
it's top secret or secret or

4252
02:51:31,349 --> 02:51:29,120
confidential which i highly doubt um so

4253
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:31,359
my theory there is that there is a code

4254
02:51:36,790 --> 02:51:34,479
word a top secret uh keyword there so

4255
02:51:37,990 --> 02:51:36,800
it'll be like top secret slash and then

4256
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:38,000
a code word

4257
02:51:43,910 --> 02:51:40,960
uh that probably is uh is is what's

4258
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:43,920
going on there uh as proof i show the

4259
02:51:49,670 --> 02:51:47,120
nsa documents that are top secret umbra

4260
02:51:52,550 --> 02:51:49,680
and umbra deals with communication

4261
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:52,560
intelligence with the nsa and for years

4262
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:55,600
many many years umbra itself was a

4263
02:52:00,950 --> 02:51:57,920
classified designator so they wouldn't

4264
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:00,960
even tell you what umbra was it was top

4265
02:52:05,030 --> 02:52:03,279
secret and then redacted so we didn't

4266
02:52:07,349 --> 02:52:05,040
know that keyword and

4267
02:52:09,750 --> 02:52:07,359
one of the mdr cases i did with nsa

4268
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:09,760
brought that out many many moons ago

4269
02:52:11,910 --> 02:52:10,640
so

4270
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:11,920
i think that that's what's going on

4271
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,520
there and then skipping down to the

4272
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:15,359
second part of your question

4273
02:52:21,510 --> 02:52:18,319
uh uap detected by

4274
02:52:23,510 --> 02:52:21,520
in my personal again best guess

4275
02:52:25,750 --> 02:52:23,520
i believe this would likely get into

4276
02:52:27,670 --> 02:52:25,760
then a breakdown of the systems that are

4277
02:52:30,070 --> 02:52:27,680
that are corroborating the witness

4278
02:52:31,910 --> 02:52:30,080
testimony again i

4279
02:52:34,309 --> 02:52:31,920
am fully going to admit i could be

4280
02:52:35,830 --> 02:52:34,319
completely wrong but i think that that's

4281
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:35,840
that's kind of how i would see this

4282
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:36,800
where

4283
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:38,160
table one you're going to have the

4284
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,319
reports by and then a broad stroke

4285
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:42,960
categories pilots maybe wizzos maybe

4286
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:45,200
sensors maybe whatever radar and then

4287
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:46,880
underneath are going to be a breakdown

4288
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:48,319
of the actual

4289
02:52:53,429 --> 02:52:50,960
systems that are being seen whether it

4290
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:53,439
be spy one radar or again you know fill

4291
02:52:56,710 --> 02:52:54,640
in the blank

4292
02:52:58,389 --> 02:52:56,720
but maybe something that's much more

4293
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:58,399
sensitive because you can see a lot more

4294
02:53:02,150 --> 02:52:59,760
redaction there

4295
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:02,160
um so just guess and i always stress

4296
02:53:06,710 --> 02:53:04,240
that whenever i go there but you know

4297
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:06,720
that i think is a plausible breakdown of

4298
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:16,230
uh that is

4299
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:17,670
give me one second

4300
02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:20,319
because uh as you're looking that up uh

4301
02:53:24,790 --> 02:53:22,720
below the table two and over half of the

4302
02:53:26,870 --> 02:53:24,800
144 reports from the united states

4303
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:26,880
government observers redacted

4304
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:29,600
unidentified error phenomena uap

4305
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:31,680
then redacted and

4306
02:53:34,469 --> 02:53:33,040
this

4307
02:53:35,910 --> 02:53:34,479
uh

4308
02:53:37,110 --> 02:53:35,920
i i don't know

4309
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:37,120
what was there

4310
02:53:40,790 --> 02:53:39,600
yeah i i never like to do stuff like

4311
02:53:44,870 --> 02:53:40,800
that from memory because i'll usually

4312
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:44,880
screw it up but 3024 under 50 us code

4313
02:53:48,469 --> 02:53:46,960
is information pertaining to intelligent

4314
02:53:51,190 --> 02:53:48,479
sources and methods and the national

4315
02:53:53,429 --> 02:53:51,200
security act of 1947. so essentially

4316
02:53:54,389 --> 02:53:53,439
it's sources and methods

4317
02:53:57,349 --> 02:53:54,399
huh

4318
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:57,359
okay let's go to uh our favorite page

4319
02:54:01,190 --> 02:53:59,279
which is 13.

4320
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:01,200
and and if before you go there just

4321
02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:03,359
really quickly the sources and methods

4322
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:05,920
is that reinforces that that that's

4323
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:08,960
potentially the systems itself so this

4324
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:11,840
is so they're withholding how we are

4325
02:54:17,190 --> 02:54:14,479
detecting uap because they don't want to

4326
02:54:19,750 --> 02:54:17,200
reveal the source or the method by using

4327
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:19,760
a i'm just making up like a spyware or

4328
02:54:23,910 --> 02:54:21,760
something like that right right right

4329
02:54:26,150 --> 02:54:23,920
which we already know and see that's

4330
02:54:29,190 --> 02:54:26,160
that's the other puzzling thing

4331
02:54:31,269 --> 02:54:29,200
i mean we know the radar systems that

4332
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:31,279
are on the princeton

4333
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:33,120
you know and and so what

4334
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,279
of of course those are the systems that

4335
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:36,960
are detecting these i mean what's the

4336
02:54:41,910 --> 02:54:40,080
big deal i'm very you know it gets i

4337
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:41,920
totally agree with you uh just to play

4338
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:43,760
devil's advocate you can then start

4339
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,680
deducing once you start hearing the

4340
02:54:49,910 --> 02:54:47,760
sensors and the names

4341
02:54:51,590 --> 02:54:49,920
you can then start detect you can then

4342
02:54:52,550 --> 02:54:51,600
start determining

4343
02:54:54,950 --> 02:54:52,560
what

4344
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:54,960
list of ships that they're talking about

4345
02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:56,880
and then from the list of ships you can

4346
02:55:01,429 --> 02:54:58,960
figure out what may be in the area so a

4347
02:55:03,429 --> 02:55:01,439
foreign adversary could look at that and

4348
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:03,439
with some time and some blood sweat and

4349
02:55:09,030 --> 02:55:06,960
tears really start to evaluate oh okay

4350
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:09,040
it looks like and i'm again just making

4351
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:11,760
up variables here the princeton is is

4352
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:14,000
spying on us because they're on a very

4353
02:55:17,590 --> 02:55:15,439
short list they're the only ones in the

4354
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:17,600
vicinity they're detecting our flight

4355
02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:20,160
over here so i'm playing devil's

4356
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,160
advocate a little bit there but i can

4357
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:24,640
understand it where any little tidbit of

4358
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:26,720
information that you can use hey it's

4359
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:30,080
how i do research you drill in to that

4360
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:33,680
one word or one character to file

4361
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:36,080
another foia or to file an mdr or to

4362
02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:38,960
look for a lead or whatever well foreign

4363
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:40,720
intelligence services work the exact

4364
02:55:45,269 --> 02:55:42,960
same way our own intelligence community

4365
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:45,279
works the exact same way when people

4366
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:47,520
talk at press podiums and this and that

4367
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:49,040
there are analysts that sit down and

4368
02:55:53,990 --> 02:55:52,479
look at every single piece of word usage

4369
02:55:55,670 --> 02:55:54,000
that they used

4370
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:55,680
that's why you know not to make it

4371
02:55:59,830 --> 02:55:58,080
political but that's why biden is under

4372
02:56:02,150 --> 02:55:59,840
so much scrutiny right now for what he

4373
02:56:05,190 --> 02:56:02,160
said about putin not staying in power

4374
02:56:08,070 --> 02:56:05,200
why that is such a big deal was was that

4375
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:08,080
a slip was that a slip to show a

4376
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:09,520
potential

4377
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:11,120
policy change

4378
02:56:16,469 --> 02:56:13,840
or something more sinister something on

4379
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:16,479
a deep classified level of a regime

4380
02:56:21,110 --> 02:56:18,560
change or something that you know

4381
02:56:23,429 --> 02:56:21,120
shouldn't have been out so everything is

4382
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:23,439
evaluated and and that's what's

4383
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:25,600
fascinating to me but sometimes very

4384
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:27,600
frustrating is trying to

4385
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:30,080
fight for those redactions to be lifted

4386
02:56:34,309 --> 02:56:32,960
but in the same respect understand why

4387
02:56:36,150 --> 02:56:34,319
the redactions are there in the first

4388
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:36,160
place well i mean

4389
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:37,840
they've closed the door though on

4390
02:56:42,309 --> 02:56:41,279
foreign adversaries here and so

4391
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:42,319
well

4392
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:44,720
i mean and again a devil's advocate they

4393
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:47,680
said they did they said they did and so

4394
02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:50,800
are those is that selectively

4395
02:56:55,110 --> 02:56:52,479
put out there

4396
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:55,120
for the foreign adversaries to read uh

4397
02:57:00,389 --> 02:56:57,600
to obfuscate and and confuse the

4398
02:57:03,510 --> 02:57:00,399
situation is it really that brilliantly

4399
02:57:04,309 --> 02:57:03,520
written well possibly so i mean

4400
02:57:06,230 --> 02:57:04,319
i mean

4401
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:06,240
i have talked a lot about this and and

4402
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:08,160
for me it's a fascinating angle of this

4403
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:10,240
conversation because i i just want to

4404
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:12,240
preface it i do believe there is a real

4405
02:57:16,309 --> 02:57:14,000
part of this phenomena that is

4406
02:57:18,630 --> 02:57:16,319
unexplained but in the same respect i

4407
02:57:20,550 --> 02:57:18,640
believe that this conversation has

4408
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:20,560
turned the uap

4409
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:21,600
topic

4410
02:57:26,150 --> 02:57:25,200
into a tool a counter intelligence tool

4411
02:57:30,870 --> 02:57:26,160
100

4412
02:57:33,750 --> 02:57:30,880
that they can now in in one broad stroke

4413
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:33,760
with these types of reports number one

4414
02:57:38,790 --> 02:57:36,000
hide the small percentage of uap that

4415
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:38,800
are truly unexplainable truly a mystery

4416
02:57:43,910 --> 02:57:40,960
and and potentially incredibly

4417
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:43,920
fascinating but also confuse world

4418
02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:46,080
powers on what we know

4419
02:57:50,230 --> 02:57:47,760
or what we don't know

4420
02:57:51,830 --> 02:57:50,240
so them lying to congress some might say

4421
02:57:53,670 --> 02:57:51,840
oh they're going to lie to congress and

4422
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:53,680
mislead congress you better don't

4423
02:57:58,389 --> 02:57:55,840
believe it we have decades worth of

4424
02:58:00,790 --> 02:57:58,399
history proving just that so that's a

4425
02:58:01,990 --> 02:58:00,800
silly argument against this

4426
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:02,000
idea

4427
02:58:08,230 --> 02:58:04,479
if they would mislead congress

4428
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:08,240
and you know so so again this is a a

4429
02:58:12,870 --> 02:58:10,240
very big broad um

4430
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:12,880
conversation in itself but to quickly

4431
02:58:19,030 --> 02:58:15,600
summarize it i do believe the uf ufo

4432
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:19,040
slash uap topic has become a tool a

4433
02:58:23,910 --> 02:58:20,880
counterintelligence tool that is being

4434
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:23,920
utilized right now and what's hard for

4435
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:26,560
me as a researcher to try and decode all

4436
02:58:29,910 --> 02:58:27,359
this

4437
02:58:32,230 --> 02:58:29,920
is how do you know it's not a charade

4438
02:58:34,950 --> 02:58:32,240
how do we know that this is not covering

4439
02:58:36,710 --> 02:58:34,960
up let's say extraterrestrial technology

4440
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,720
how do we know it's not covering up the

4441
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:39,439
reality that it really is china or it

4442
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:42,479
really is russia but these types of

4443
02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:44,240
revelations when it goes to the public

4444
02:58:49,030 --> 02:58:47,200
report saying no we've we thought it

4445
02:58:51,349 --> 02:58:49,040
might be china and russia but we have no

4446
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:51,359
idea meanwhile over in china and russia

4447
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:53,200
they're going they really don't think

4448
02:58:57,190 --> 02:58:54,960
it's us yeah we thought it was pretty

4449
02:59:00,230 --> 02:58:57,200
obvious and it's not well wait a minute

4450
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:00,240
do they and it that's the whole point of

4451
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:03,520
counterintelligence is to confuse

4452
02:59:08,630 --> 02:59:06,560
your adversary on what you do or do not

4453
02:59:10,870 --> 02:59:08,640
know or what you really know or really

4454
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:10,880
do not know and it becomes just this

4455
02:59:16,870 --> 02:59:14,800
confusing mess of muddy water and that's

4456
02:59:19,269 --> 02:59:16,880
that's playing out as we speak with this

4457
02:59:22,309 --> 02:59:19,279
topic what do you think i've just got a

4458
02:59:24,150 --> 02:59:22,319
minute left uh john and and going you

4459
02:59:26,950 --> 02:59:24,160
know to my favorite page in the entire

4460
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:26,960
report which is page 13.

4461
02:59:31,030 --> 02:59:28,560
the common shapes

4462
02:59:33,830 --> 02:59:31,040
uh if you were a betting man and you're

4463
02:59:37,670 --> 02:59:33,840
not but if you were oh yeah and you're

4464
02:59:41,190 --> 02:59:39,429
and you're in vegas

4465
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:41,200
what are the odds that we're going to

4466
02:59:47,510 --> 02:59:44,319
get that common shapes table released

4467
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:51,190
that i will get some of it not all

4468
02:59:54,469 --> 02:59:52,080
do you have

4469
02:59:56,790 --> 02:59:54,479
i believe i have put up a case

4470
02:59:59,150 --> 02:59:56,800
uh that will allow them to reveal

4471
03:00:02,630 --> 02:59:59,160
something and i used that that

4472
03:00:06,790 --> 03:00:02,640
declassified slide as an example

4473
03:00:08,950 --> 03:00:06,800
that a uap case which was a clear drone

4474
03:00:10,630 --> 03:00:08,960
a quadcopter but it was unidentified

4475
03:00:12,230 --> 03:00:10,640
they couldn't label it they released

4476
03:00:14,630 --> 03:00:12,240
those photos to me

4477
03:00:16,550 --> 03:00:14,640
so i believe that with those facts that

4478
03:00:18,550 --> 03:00:16,560
there's something there

4479
03:00:20,550 --> 03:00:18,560
that they can release and if it's only

4480
03:00:22,230 --> 03:00:20,560
diagrams or silhouettes

4481
03:00:24,469 --> 03:00:22,240
then even more so

4482
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:24,479
silly stupidity that they can use that

4483
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:27,439
that redaction so will i get everything

4484
03:00:32,710 --> 03:00:31,040
probably not will i get partially lifted

4485
03:00:34,790 --> 03:00:32,720
i'm going to cross my fingers and say i

4486
03:00:37,429 --> 03:00:34,800
hope so i think so

4487
03:00:40,550 --> 03:00:37,439
what's up next i've got 30 seconds what

4488
03:00:42,870 --> 03:00:40,560
are you releasing tomorrow

4489
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:42,880
well nothing yet i don't but i am

4490
03:00:47,110 --> 03:00:45,439
working on quite a few different things

4491
03:00:50,230 --> 03:00:47,120
the the biggest thing i'm very hopeful

4492
03:00:53,670 --> 03:00:50,240
about is winning an appeal for uap

4493
03:00:55,910 --> 03:00:53,680
reports videos and photos from the u.s

4494
03:00:59,110 --> 03:00:55,920
navy that went to the task force they

4495
03:01:02,389 --> 03:00:59,120
originally denied 100 of all of them

4496
03:01:03,910 --> 03:01:02,399
i put up a an appeal and i won so that

4497
03:01:06,389 --> 03:01:03,920
means that they are in the process of

4498
03:01:08,230 --> 03:01:06,399
reviewing each and every report

4499
03:01:10,070 --> 03:01:08,240
that to me is one of my biggest wins

4500
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:10,080
when it comes to this topic so when

4501
03:01:13,269 --> 03:01:11,520
that's going to happen i have no idea

4502
03:01:15,190 --> 03:01:13,279
but that's one of

4503
03:01:17,750 --> 03:01:15,200
quite a few different things that's in

4504
03:01:21,030 --> 03:01:17,760
the pipeline man that's exciting john

4505
03:01:24,150 --> 03:01:21,040
greenwald go put on some face cream

4506
03:01:25,590 --> 03:01:24,160
get some sleep cucumbers over my eyes

4507
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:25,600
i'll talk to you tomorrow my friend all

4508
03:01:29,590 --> 03:01:27,840
right buddy thank you so much great show

4509
03:01:30,790 --> 03:01:29,600
thank you this is fade to black

4510
03:01:33,990 --> 03:01:30,800
everybody go to

4511
03:01:38,550 --> 03:01:37,269
and uh the classified report story is

4512
03:01:40,150 --> 03:01:38,560
right there

4513
03:01:42,309 --> 03:01:40,160
on the front page

4514
03:01:44,790 --> 03:01:42,319
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4515
03:01:47,030 --> 03:01:44,800
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4516
03:01:48,710 --> 03:01:47,040
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4517
03:01:50,630 --> 03:01:48,720
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4518
03:01:52,550 --> 03:01:50,640
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03:01:54,790 --> 03:01:52,560
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4530
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03:02:22,469 --> 03:02:19,680
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4534
03:02:23,670 --> 03:02:22,479
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4535
03:02:26,870 --> 03:02:23,680
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4536
03:02:28,950 --> 03:02:26,880
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4537
03:02:35,080 --> 03:02:28,960
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03:02:35,080 --> 03:02:35,090
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